k20d black vertical line

Akarak · 03-25-2013, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

Hey, I answered you and now you're just sounding rude. I think the lack of serial numbers in this thread is due to the fact that pretty much all sensors will fail in a not too distant future. This is the backside of digital imaging as you can't just change the film. To guess the time estimate to the failure based on a single serial number is impossible.

sure, but there's manufacturing processes and different batches, why do you think some cameras fail at 20.000 clicks and others at 200.000 ?
why some people blow their sensors at two years of use, and others at four? i honestly don't think i'm being rude, different batches of cameras mean different components inside, even if it's the same sensor, other things compromising the sensor might not be from the same manufacturer, so again...
i kindly ask, if it's possible, please insert the camera serial number into the serial number data base here in this forum

Last edited by Akarak; 03-25-2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason: (spelll check)

VisualDarkness · 03-25-2013, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Akarak

sure, but there's manufacturing processes and different batches, why do you think some cameras fail at 20.000 clicks and others at 200.000 ?
why some people blow their sensors at two years of use, and others at four? i honestly don't think i'm being rude, different batches of cameras mean different components inside, even if it's the same sensor, other things compromising the sensor might not be from the same manufacturer, so again...
i kindly ask, if it's possible, please insert the camera serial number into the serial number data base here in this forum

Well, still the individual variations in the products due to the production and use will in most cases affect aging way more than whole batch variety, if no major general flaw is reported for the batch. You can have two cameras, from the same batch, and treat them basically the same and you can still get completely different lifetime for them. It's in digital consumer camera's DNA to fail, but the time 'til they do that is random.

I just think it's overly hypochondric to fear for that your own camera is soon to die based on one failure report.

Akarak · 03-25-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

Well, still the individual variations in the products due to the production and use will in most cases affect aging way more than whole batch variety, if no major general flaw is reported for the batch. You can have two cameras, from the same batch, and treat them basically the same and you can still get completely different lifetime for them. It's in digital consumer camera's DNA to fail, but the time 'til they do that is random.

I just think it's overly hypochondric to fear for that your own camera is soon to die based on one failure report.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/217870-pentax-dslr-just-died.html

twitch · 03-25-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Akarak

again sir, can you please insert your serial number in the database so other k20d users can check if their camera are prone to failure? the serial number and number of mirror flips would be awesome!

thank you very very much!

You can ask politely, but the OP'er is under no obligation to comply with your request so no need to get mad if they don't want to share that information.

kjacks · 03-29-2013, 05:50 PM

thanks to all for responding, i've sent the camera to pentax for a diagnosis/repair estimate so now i'm just going to have a glass of wine and not worry till i hear from them.

VisualDarkness · 03-29-2013, 06:15 PM

Write the feedback here when you receive one, I'm interested at least. Good luck and my best wishes!

kjacks · 03-29-2013, 11:14 PM

yep, i'll do that.

kjacks · 04-04-2013, 06:33 PM

well here's the update, $516.00 (includes return shipping whoopee) to replace the sensor. They are returning my camera as is, i'm not paying that much to repair a camera that can be replaced with a better, updated model for a couple hundred more.

VisualDarkness · 04-04-2013, 06:42 PM

Ouch! I hope you find a reasonable upgrade instead. You can always sell the K20D as defect for replacement parts or to somebody wanting something to experiment on.

stevebrot · 04-04-2013, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by kjacks

well here's the update, $516.00 (includes return shipping whoopee) to replace the sensor. They are returning my camera as is, i'm not paying that much to repair a camera that can be replaced with a better, updated model for a couple hundred more.

Well, there ya go! Welcome to the world of consumer electronics. Your camera had a projected life span of about five years the day it was made with a known cost to repair close to the cost to replace. Makes you sort of feel good about the world doesn't it.

Steve

(...almost all the cameras I shoot with are over 30 years old and the cost to repair the non-electronic models is nominal...)

Akarak · 04-04-2013, 06:59 PM

are you short on cash, are you going to stop shooting?

kjacks · 04-04-2013, 07:10 PM

ouch is right! too invested to switch brands...so for the last week i've been looking at the K-5 models. ouch! ouch! ouch!
i do still have all my film equipment and the b&w darkroom, just love the digital tho.

VisualDarkness · 04-04-2013, 07:12 PM

The beauty and curse of digital. I hope you find a good deal and as I said, you should be able to recoup some of the cost by selling it as defective.

kjacks · 04-04-2013, 07:21 PM

seems a shame that you only get a few short years out of this equipment. i'm going to abuse my next one, its going to look ready for the trash when the sensor goes.
just kidding, i could never do that.

VisualDarkness · 04-04-2013, 07:24 PM

My K-5 got scratches, dings and wear that exposes the metal shell under the plastic so it will retire in a well used condition.

04-04-2013, 07:10 PM	#27
kjacks Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: auburn, wa Photos: Gallery Posts: 69 Original Poster	ouch is right! too invested to switch brands...so for the last week i've been looking at the K-5 models. ouch! ouch! ouch! i do still have all my film equipment and the b&w darkroom, just love the digital tho. Last edited by kjacks; 04-04-2013 at 07:13 PM. Reason: another comment

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03-25-2013, 11:35 AM	#16
Akarak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 124	Originally posted by VisualDarkness Hey, I answered you and now you're just sounding rude. I think the lack of serial numbers in this thread is due to the fact that pretty much all sensors will fail in a not too distant future. This is the backside of digital imaging as you can't just change the film. To guess the time estimate to the failure based on a single serial number is impossible. sure, but there's manufacturing processes and different batches, why do you think some cameras fail at 20.000 clicks and others at 200.000 ? why some people blow their sensors at two years of use, and others at four? i honestly don't think i'm being rude, different batches of cameras mean different components inside, even if it's the same sensor, other things compromising the sensor might not be from the same manufacturer, so again... i kindly ask, if it's possible, please insert the camera serial number into the serial number data base here in this forum Last edited by Akarak; 03-25-2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason: (spelll check)

03-25-2013, 04:40 PM	#17
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Originally posted by Akarak sure, but there's manufacturing processes and different batches, why do you think some cameras fail at 20.000 clicks and others at 200.000 ? why some people blow their sensors at two years of use, and others at four? i honestly don't think i'm being rude, different batches of cameras mean different components inside, even if it's the same sensor, other things compromising the sensor might not be from the same manufacturer, so again... i kindly ask, if it's possible, please insert the camera serial number into the serial number data base here in this forum Well, still the individual variations in the products due to the production and use will in most cases affect aging way more than whole batch variety, if no major general flaw is reported for the batch. You can have two cameras, from the same batch, and treat them basically the same and you can still get completely different lifetime for them. It's in digital consumer camera's DNA to fail, but the time 'til they do that is random. I just think it's overly hypochondric to fear for that your own camera is soon to die based on one failure report.

03-25-2013, 04:56 PM	#18
Akarak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 124	Originally posted by VisualDarkness Well, still the individual variations in the products due to the production and use will in most cases affect aging way more than whole batch variety, if no major general flaw is reported for the batch. You can have two cameras, from the same batch, and treat them basically the same and you can still get completely different lifetime for them. It's in digital consumer camera's DNA to fail, but the time 'til they do that is random. I just think it's overly hypochondric to fear for that your own camera is soon to die based on one failure report. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/217870-pentax-dslr-just-died.html

03-25-2013, 05:31 PM	#19
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	Originally posted by Akarak again sir, can you please insert your serial number in the database so other k20d users can check if their camera are prone to failure? the serial number and number of mirror flips would be awesome! thank you very very much! You can ask politely, but the OP'er is under no obligation to comply with your request so no need to get mad if they don't want to share that information.

03-29-2013, 05:50 PM	#20
kjacks Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: auburn, wa Photos: Gallery Posts: 69 Original Poster	thanks to all for responding, i've sent the camera to pentax for a diagnosis/repair estimate so now i'm just going to have a glass of wine and not worry till i hear from them.

03-29-2013, 06:15 PM	#21
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Write the feedback here when you receive one, I'm interested at least. Good luck and my best wishes!

03-29-2013, 11:14 PM	#22
kjacks Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: auburn, wa Photos: Gallery Posts: 69 Original Poster	yep, i'll do that.

04-04-2013, 06:33 PM	#23
kjacks Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: auburn, wa Photos: Gallery Posts: 69 Original Poster	well here's the update, $516.00 (includes return shipping whoopee) to replace the sensor. They are returning my camera as is, i'm not paying that much to repair a camera that can be replaced with a better, updated model for a couple hundred more.

04-04-2013, 06:42 PM	#24
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	Ouch! I hope you find a reasonable upgrade instead. You can always sell the K20D as defect for replacement parts or to somebody wanting something to experiment on.

04-04-2013, 06:43 PM	#25
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by kjacks well here's the update, $516.00 (includes return shipping whoopee) to replace the sensor. They are returning my camera as is, i'm not paying that much to repair a camera that can be replaced with a better, updated model for a couple hundred more. Well, there ya go! Welcome to the world of consumer electronics. Your camera had a projected life span of about five years the day it was made with a known cost to repair close to the cost to replace. Makes you sort of feel good about the world doesn't it. Steve (...almost all the cameras I shoot with are over 30 years old and the cost to repair the non-electronic models is nominal...)

04-04-2013, 06:59 PM	#26
Akarak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 124	are you short on cash, are you going to stop shooting?

04-04-2013, 07:12 PM	#28
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	The beauty and curse of digital. I hope you find a good deal and as I said, you should be able to recoup some of the cost by selling it as defective.

04-04-2013, 07:21 PM	#29
kjacks Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: auburn, wa Photos: Gallery Posts: 69 Original Poster	seems a shame that you only get a few short years out of this equipment. i'm going to abuse my next one, its going to look ready for the trash when the sensor goes. just kidding, i could never do that.

04-04-2013, 07:24 PM	#30
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	My K-5 got scratches, dings and wear that exposes the metal shell under the plastic so it will retire in a well used condition.