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06-16-2013, 07:13 AM   #1
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K-30 SD card problems.

Hi I just bought a K-30 and it is my first DSLR. I am pretty impressed with the camera.
However I have a problem.

I have four different types of SDHC cards all new Class 10 8/16/4 GB.
I have used Linux and Windows 7.
I have two old card readers both work with SDHC and a new one I just bought.
I have the original Pentax battery, a aftermarket battery, the AA holder with new batteries and some old good quality batteries.

This problem occurred with the Firmware V 1.0 that was on the camera when I got it and after I have upgraded the Firmware to V 1.04.

All the above work perfectly with other SDHC cards I have containing mainly Raspberry Pi images or just files and folders.

My problem is,

I place the sd card in the camera. I have tried formatting on the pc and in the camera (I get the same results).
I take some pictures.
I take the sd card and put it in a reader and view the files on the pc. I have also connected the camera to the pc directly(I get the same results)
I either leave the files on the sd card or copy or move them to the pc (I get the same results)
I take out the sd card from the reader and place it back in the camera.
I take some more pictures.
I put the card in the reader and I get -- see screenshots.











In linux I can not read the card and I get a message telling me that I have the wrong file type.
In Windows 7 I see variations of the above. I can not delete any of the files or folders and I can not read any of the files.

When I put the card back in the camera the camera tells me that the card needs formatting.

Do I have a faulty camera ?

Thanks in anticipation of some replies.

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The problem is not with the camera, it is with the PC and/or the card reader.

Moving the files from the card causes the PC to attempt to delete the files from the card. I never put a card in the camera without formatting it in camera immediately. I never re-insert a card in the camera and continue to take images without formatting it. I have never had a card read problem doing this. My cards are four and five years old.

I copy all the files from the card to a folder on my desktop. I never attempt to move files from one drive to another; I always copy, verify, then delete. I do this even if the files are not on a card.

I have Lightroom set to import files to an external drive with a copy on a second external drive. If I were using come other photo programme that wouldn't allow that I would copy the files myself. Note that with my card read system, I actually have three copies of the images while I am working with them in Lightroom.
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Thanks for your reply Canada_Rockies.

I do not have this problem with any of the other sd cards I use. Only have this problem when I use the Pentax Also I do not have this problem with my Cannon camera that uses flash drives. I can pop them in and out of the camera and pc and transfer files multiple times with no problems and no need to format the card every time.

Any one else have any suggestions ?
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Are you sure that the card reformatted in the camera? I don't understand all the folders I am seeing on the card. There should only be one after formatting in the camera named DCMI the images will be stored in it by the camera. I am using Vista as my operating system but I am sure that it would read the images the same as 7. I also have Vista set to import from the card to a folder in my pictures. I also never put a card into the camera without reformatting it in the camera be it a new card or used.


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Hi patrik9 those images are from when I have,

Formatted the card in the camera and taken pictures
Put the card in the pc and tried to copy/move/view the pictures.
Then put the card back in the camera and taken or tried to take some pictures.
Then put the card back into the pc.

I do not have this problem with my Cannon which uses flash storage cards. I cna put them in the pc and camera multiple times with no need to reformat.

I have no idea what the files and folders are some are 2 or 3 GB in size. I have never ever seen this sort of behaviour with any other sd/flash/ssd/hd/usb storage medium.
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I pop my SD card out of my K-30 and into my computer and back again all the time, and it doesn't behave like that. Something's wrong, I'd say. I wonder if it's possible to try resetting your camera to factory settings and reinstalling the update. (Disclaimer: I'm no expert and have no idea if you can do this or if it would solve your issue, but it might be worth investigating.)

The only memory card issue I've had is with a 32 gb card with which I'd sometimes get an "Unable to write to card" message.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bibi Quote
I pop my SD card out of my K-30 and into my computer and back again all the time, and it doesn't behave like that. Something's wrong, I'd say. I wonder if it's possible to try resetting your camera to factory settings and reinstalling the update. (Disclaimer: I'm no expert and have no idea if you can do this or if it would solve your issue, but it might be worth investigating.)

The only memory card issue I've had is with a 32 gb card with which I'd sometimes get an "Unable to write to card" message.
I thought that you should be able to do as you experience. Thanks for the confirmation. It seems that I have a faulty camera.

I was experienceing the problem with Firmware V 1.0 which is why I did the update, I thought it may rectify the problem.

Thanks.
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You don't have to reformat each time I just do to make sure the card is empty and clean. After the formatting the only folder that should be on the card is the DCMI folder. That is why I asked if the card did in fact reformat in the camera. I have thought a couple of times that I had fomated a card when in fact I had canceled the reformatting. When reformatting a card I now watch the screen say reformatting and the slider bar indicator until it goes out and is finished then I exit the menu I
I am not seeing DCIM folder on your screen shots
Also the card did not get locked by chance

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Hi lock is not on.
I too watch the formatting screen.
You are not seeing the DCMI folder because I have opened it and accessed the next folder.
I have tried with 4 different cards etc as I stated in the opening post.

Your reply was helpful as it confirms that,

"I pop my SD card out of my K-30 and into my computer and back again all the time, and it doesn't behave like that."

which is the behaviour you would expect from a sd card. I also read over at the Pentax forums that this is the expected behaviour.
So I am taking it that my camera has a fault and I will be sending it back for a replacement.

Thanks.
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It may be I am sorry to hear that you got a defective model
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Me too. Thanks for the helping hand.
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Hi

I always make sure I have switched off the camera before removing the sd card - eliminates possible corruption of the card. Also I think switching the camera off while it is being written to i,e. the red led is on can cause problems.

I agree you don't need to reformat every time you take the card - I don't know if its still the case but cards could only be rewitten to a certain numbers of times.

From your screen shots you seem to have folders and strange files where there should only be image files. Have you been swapping the card between devices. What I would suggest before you take the camera in for repair would be to buy a cheap a brand new card and try again.

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Problem sorted.

Seems that after all my protestations about all me kit being tikety boo. It was not. I had a intermittently faulty usb port on my monitor. It worked ok when I did a test run but I must have caught it just right for it to seem ok. Obviously it was throwing wobblies in future tests as today it has died and there is not a glimmer of life in it. All other ports work fine and now the sd cards are behaving as they should.
Seems I need to work on my testing methodology. I feel such a fool. Happy but foolish.
Nowt new there then.

Thanks for the help folks.
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Many years ago I was the first line of defense in supporting office computing equipment - this is back when 80 columns of green text was the standard. I had a terminal with intermittent issues. I checked the data cable - no problem. I checked the power at the wall outlet - no problem. I did a software reset on the terminal - problem persisted. I finally called the manufacturer's support and sent a technician. He looked at the wall outlet, reached around to the back of the terminal and pushed the terminal end of the power cable harder into the socket. It had been loose and doing a make/break as the user bumped her desk.

I felt foolish, and in 30 years I've never made that mistake again when troubleshooting. Sounds like you just learned the same lesson....
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We're all glad your problem was solved.
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