Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version 3 Likes Search this Thread
09-11-2013, 07:54 PM   #1
Veteran Member
Jorgario's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: San José
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,769
ISO and old ASA are the same ?

I have an old spot meter that I really like it, but I do not know if the film ASA mesures are the same as the digital ISO sistema ?

09-11-2013, 07:58 PM   #2
Loyal Site Supporter
Loyal Site Supporter
boriscleto's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: North Syracuse, NY
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 16,477
The ISO scale and ASA scale are the same.
09-11-2013, 08:08 PM   #3
Veteran Member
Jorgario's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: San José
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,769
Original Poster
Thanks for your promp answer !!
09-11-2013, 11:18 PM   #4
Site Supporter
Site Supporter
Douglas_of_Sweden's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Stockholm
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 3,374
I always preferred the DIN scale...

09-12-2013, 12:27 AM   #5
Pentaxian
hcarvalhoalves's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,019
Just notice that there are two different scales for the ISO standard: linear (e.g.: ISO 100) and logarithmic (e.g.: ISO 21°). The linear is equivalent to the old ASA, while the log is equivalent to DIN.
09-12-2013, 01:27 AM   #6
Veteran Member
Barry Pearson's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Stockport
Posts: 964
QuoteOriginally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Quote
I always preferred the DIN scale...
I started with the Hurter and Driffield scale!

(In the UK, we tended to use the BSI rather than DIN scale: just add 10).
09-12-2013, 02:46 AM - 1 Like   #7
PEG Moderator
Loyal Site Supporter
Kerrowdown's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 57,867
QuoteOriginally posted by Jorgario Quote
ISO and old ASA are the same
Aye the same, ASA is for auld buggers like me, ISO is the new fangled way for the young folk.

09-14-2013, 05:25 AM - 1 Like   #8
Loyal Site Supporter
Loyal Site Supporter
JimJohnson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Summer:Lake Superior - Michigan Winter:Texas Hill Country
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,774
There is a difference between ASA and ISO, but....

According to wikipedia (it must be correct, it's on the Internet, right?) ASA (American Standards Association - Kodak had a major impact on this standard) was first defined in 1943 and went through several modifications. The last modification was in 1960. ISO (International Standards Organization) basically adopted both ASA and DIN as standards in 1974.

ISO exposure values have also witnessed several changes since 1974. It appears the latest change was in 2006. There is a minor impact on digital photographers using both older and newer camera bodies as older bodies without post-2006 firmware updates will be using an older exposure calculation.

And as kerrowdown says- for us "auld buggers like me", I still use light meters manufactured in the 60's and 70's when 'digital' meant you were counting on your fingers. For my photography the difference between the 1960 standard for ASA and the 2006 standard for ISO is meaningless. This is because it is well within the dynamic range of my camera's sensor and for most photography exposure is an artistic choice achieved in post processing. I doubt Ansel Adams would have worried about the difference either.
09-14-2013, 06:03 AM - 1 Like   #9
Dan
Pentaxian




Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 325
I like this sentence from the Wikipedia article about the revised standards:

"Despite these detailed standard definitions, cameras typically do not clearly indicate whether the user 'ISO' setting refers to the noise-based speed, saturation-based speed, or the specified output sensitivity, or even some made-up number for marketing purposes."

Well that explains a lot!!

I find that most digital cameras have rather "optimistic" ISO ratings in comparison with old-school metrics such as the "sunny f/16" rule.

Dan
09-14-2013, 03:32 PM   #10
Site Supporter
Site Supporter




Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Frankfurt am Main
Posts: 1,241
QuoteQuote:
"Despite these detailed standard definitions, cameras typically do not clearly indicate whether the user 'ISO' setting refers to the noise-based speed, saturation-based speed, or the specified output sensitivity, or even some made-up number for marketing purposes."
Standards like ISO are internationally agreed on, but will be followed only if commercally accepted.

You know there is, since decades, an internationally accepted ISO standard for electrical plug systems?
As far as I know, just two or three 3rd world countries have officially introduced it. But as they are flooded with devices built in the industrialized world, it hasn't really changed reality.
Each country is still fencing its own market to protect its industry.

I guess if the success of SLR against RF cameras of Japanese companies hadn't destroyed most of the German (and European) camera industry in the sixties/seventies, we would still use "°Scheiner/DIN" in my country (DIN translated means "German Industrial Standard").

EDIT:
I also remember there existed (or exists?) an ISO standard that wants cameras to accept flash trigger voltages up to 24/25V.
But there were user reports about one Canon P&S which gets fried by trigger voltages of 6-7V.
And Canon was a member of the making body who discussed and decided about just this standard!

Last edited by RKKS08; 09-15-2013 at 05:43 PM.
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
asa, camera, iso, pentax help, photography

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
is ISO the same for all sensor sizes? dstructor Digital Processing, Software, and Printing 13 03-07-2013 09:14 AM
MX ASA/ISO setting question Doan Film SLRs and Compact Film Cameras 4 07-07-2012 11:53 AM
Are macro rings all the same? stainsor Troubleshooting and Beginner Help 9 06-22-2012 10:36 AM
Gh2 Color footage 10.000 ASA ISO test @F0.95 ! jogiba Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Other Camera Brands 2 11-18-2011 01:51 PM
Are the Focusing Screens for the Km, Kx, and Kr all the same? Winnie Pentax K-r 4 10-25-2010 08:38 AM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:13 PM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top