Raw+jpeg question K5/K5II

scunning14 · 10-16-2013, 05:52 AM

I have a quick question for the forum. When I set the jpg quality to say. 6mp medium quality in Rax+jpg mode, does the Raw file remain 16mp. I would answer this myself, but I don't have my camera with me and the instruction manual doesn't really say. I ask this question because I am looking at purchasing the 16gb Eye-Fi pro card. I want to use my kindle fire tablet as a previewer when I do photo shoots. I have read that the card struggles with large files, so I was hoping to bump down the quality on the jpg end for quick transfer.

halfspin · 10-16-2013, 05:55 AM

Raw is unchanged and stays at full resolution.

scunning14 · 10-16-2013, 06:11 AM

thank you

Kobayashi.K · 10-16-2013, 06:17 AM - **1 Like**

16mp (milli pixels) is 0.016 pixels. So, your card is big enough, even if you are using a 16gb card (16 giga bit?), that is 2 GB. /sarc

Last edited by Kobayashi.K; 10-16-2013 at 06:30 AM. Reason: sarc added

scunning14 · 10-16-2013, 06:23 AM

The size of the 16gb card isn't the issue. Its the speed of the wifi of the Eye-Fi card that concerns me. That and the storage space on my Kindle Fire which is only 16gb

Kobayashi.K · 10-16-2013, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by scunning14

The size of the 16gb card isn't the issue. Its the speed of the wifi of the Eye-Fi card that concerns me. That and the storage space on my Kindle Fire which is only 16gb

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scunning14 · 10-16-2013, 06:57 AM

Are you trying to start an argument that "mp" isn't short for mega pixel. Some people just have way too much time on their hands. Here is a wiki link for you Pixel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Giklab · 10-16-2013, 07:21 AM

While it is a bit annoying when such things are pointed out, he's right. A mp is not the same as Mp, just as mb isn't the same as Mb (or mB, or even MB).

scunning14 · 10-16-2013, 07:46 AM

This is ridiculous. Remind me never to ask a question on this forum again. The fact that people actually took the time to respond to correct 16mp to 16 Mp, 16 MP, 16 mega pixel, 16 megapixel, etc is so f'ing annoying. I am sorry I confused people into thinking I was talking about a 16 millipixel camera and not one of six 16 megapixel cameras from Pentax. Thank you halfspin for answering my original question.

Kobayashi.K · 10-16-2013, 08:12 AM

A rare 256 milli-bit card from SanDisk (0.256 bit).

**Ex Finn.** · 10-16-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Kobayashi.K

A rare 256 milli-bit card from SanDisk (0.256 bit).

That micro SD card does not have enough real-estate to label it properly, no way can it be milli bit.

Kobayashi.K · 10-16-2013, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by scunning14

This is ridiculous. Remind me never to ask a question on this forum again. The fact that people actually took the time to respond to correct 16mp to 16 Mp, 16 MP, 16 mega pixel, 16 megapixel, etc is so f'ing annoying. I am sorry I confused people into thinking I was talking about a 16 millipixel camera and not one of six 16 megapixel cameras from Pentax. Thank you halfspin for answering my original question.

Calm down scunning14. I offer my apologies and I promise to raise this issue never again, even if people are using "pp" (pico-pixels) or "np" nano-pixels.

halfspin · 10-16-2013, 08:48 AM

I prefer mega-pickles

Na Horuk · 10-16-2013, 08:52 AM

Raw files are always full resolution.
Raw files are saved as pef or dng files, and they contain a jpeg preview thumbnail - this thumbnail can be affected by camera settings, but the raw data is supposed to stay unchanged. Raw files used to all be the same size for this reason, but now that Pentax added some lossless compression, this is no longer the case. So a raw file might be 10MB or 16MB, but it will always keep the full resolution and all original data that the sensor gathered. The "image quality" option also only affects jpeg. And digital filters like "black and white," too.

Also, I dont know why this thread got out of hand, but this happens very rarely on this forum. Feel free to look around and see for yourself. Usually the Pentax forums are considered to be one of the most helpful and polite photography forums - without being uncritical yes-men. To me, capitalization in things like MB and MP are a formality. These things are important for, lets say the technical engineers that are working on the camera, but on a forum they generally dont cause confusion, because of a thing called context. It also wont cause an industry meltdown if a wrong capitalization is used.

scunning14 · 10-16-2013, 09:06 AM

Thank you Na Horuk. I was pretty sure that was the case with Raw files, but wanted to check before I dropped $89 on a 16gb memory card

I did order the card this morning. I will probably put a review/opinion up once I get it setup. All the reviews I've read seem to be 5 or 1 star, but I feel like a lot of it is user error. Hopefully it works out.

10-16-2013, 05:52 AM	#1
scunning14 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 195	Raw+jpeg question K5/K5II I have a quick question for the forum. When I set the jpg quality to say. 6mp medium quality in Rax+jpg mode, does the Raw file remain 16mp. I would answer this myself, but I don't have my camera with me and the instruction manual doesn't really say. I ask this question because I am looking at purchasing the 16gb Eye-Fi pro card. I want to use my kindle fire tablet as a previewer when I do photo shoots. I have read that the card struggles with large files, so I was hoping to bump down the quality on the jpg end for quick transfer.

10-16-2013, 08:29 AM	#11
Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	Originally posted by Kobayashi.K A rare 256 milli-bit card from SanDisk (0.256 bit). That micro SD card does not have enough real-estate to label it properly, no way can it be milli bit. Last edited by Ex Finn.; 10-18-2013 at 05:09 PM.

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10-16-2013, 05:55 AM	#2
halfspin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 258	Raw is unchanged and stays at full resolution.

10-16-2013, 06:11 AM	#3
scunning14 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 195 Original Poster	thank you

10-16-2013, 06:17 AM - 1 Like	#4
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	16mp (milli pixels) is 0.016 pixels. So, your card is big enough, even if you are using a 16gb card (16 giga bit?), that is 2 GB. /sarc Last edited by Kobayashi.K; 10-16-2013 at 06:30 AM. Reason: sarc added

10-16-2013, 06:23 AM	#5
scunning14 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 195 Original Poster	The size of the 16gb card isn't the issue. Its the speed of the wifi of the Eye-Fi card that concerns me. That and the storage space on my Kindle Fire which is only 16gb

10-16-2013, 06:26 AM	#6
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	Originally posted by scunning14 The size of the 16gb card isn't the issue. Its the speed of the wifi of the Eye-Fi card that concerns me. That and the storage space on my Kindle Fire which is only 16gb Metric prefix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Byte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10-16-2013, 06:57 AM	#7
scunning14 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 195 Original Poster	Are you trying to start an argument that "mp" isn't short for mega pixel. Some people just have way too much time on their hands. Here is a wiki link for you Pixel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10-16-2013, 07:21 AM	#8
Giklab Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,182	While it is a bit annoying when such things are pointed out, he's right. A mp is not the same as Mp, just as mb isn't the same as Mb (or mB, or even MB).

10-16-2013, 07:46 AM	#9
scunning14 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 195 Original Poster	This is ridiculous. Remind me never to ask a question on this forum again. The fact that people actually took the time to respond to correct 16mp to 16 Mp, 16 MP, 16 mega pixel, 16 megapixel, etc is so f'ing annoying. I am sorry I confused people into thinking I was talking about a 16 millipixel camera and not one of six 16 megapixel cameras from Pentax. Thank you halfspin for answering my original question.

10-16-2013, 08:12 AM	#10
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	A rare 256 milli-bit card from SanDisk (0.256 bit).

10-16-2013, 08:40 AM	#12
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	Originally posted by scunning14 This is ridiculous. Remind me never to ask a question on this forum again. The fact that people actually took the time to respond to correct 16mp to 16 Mp, 16 MP, 16 mega pixel, 16 megapixel, etc is so f'ing annoying. I am sorry I confused people into thinking I was talking about a 16 millipixel camera and not one of six 16 megapixel cameras from Pentax. Thank you halfspin for answering my original question. Calm down scunning14. I offer my apologies and I promise to raise this issue never again, even if people are using "pp" (pico-pixels) or "np" nano-pixels.

10-16-2013, 08:48 AM	#13
halfspin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 258	I prefer mega-pickles

10-16-2013, 08:52 AM	#14
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Raw files are always full resolution. Raw files are saved as pef or dng files, and they contain a jpeg preview thumbnail - this thumbnail can be affected by camera settings, but the raw data is supposed to stay unchanged. Raw files used to all be the same size for this reason, but now that Pentax added some lossless compression, this is no longer the case. So a raw file might be 10MB or 16MB, but it will always keep the full resolution and all original data that the sensor gathered. The "image quality" option also only affects jpeg. And digital filters like "black and white," too. Also, I dont know why this thread got out of hand, but this happens very rarely on this forum. Feel free to look around and see for yourself. Usually the Pentax forums are considered to be one of the most helpful and polite photography forums - without being uncritical yes-men. To me, capitalization in things like MB and MP are a formality. These things are important for, lets say the technical engineers that are working on the camera, but on a forum they generally dont cause confusion, because of a thing called context. It also wont cause an industry meltdown if a wrong capitalization is used.

10-16-2013, 09:06 AM	#15
scunning14 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 195 Original Poster	Thank you Na Horuk. I was pretty sure that was the case with Raw files, but wanted to check before I dropped $89 on a 16gb memory card I did order the card this morning. I will probably put a review/opinion up once I get it setup. All the reviews I've read seem to be 5 or 1 star, but I feel like a lot of it is user error. Hopefully it works out.