Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
12-14-2013, 08:40 PM   #61
Junior Member




Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 41
QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
That's just stubborn. KX but digital is old school.

Is it? The Kx is old school? To many of us, not really - it still feels more like a computer than a camera. I'd love a simple dSLR. Something that would be the equivalent of the ME Super with a full frame sensor crammed into it. Nikon did it - they brought out the DF, the direct descendent of the F1. All the primary controls are on the body. Had I known about it before purchasing the K3, I would have seriously considered it.

That being said, I still love my K3


Last edited by phreon; 12-14-2013 at 09:05 PM.
12-14-2013, 09:05 PM   #62
Site Supporter
rbefly's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Denver, Colorado
Photos: Albums
Posts: 2,030
How We Learn?

QuoteOriginally posted by davids8560 Quote
Okay. I bookmarked these links. Thanks for them.


Do you think it's possible to learn photography just by shooting a lot and trying different settings? Because to be frank I am not so big on lots of reading and book study, and it seems like my photography study and reading list is growing longer and longer and piling up big time! LOL
Hi David,
To answer your question, yes. But it will take longer and you'll have lots of 'rejects' along the way. Some errors will teach you, others could be avoided.
Everyone learns in different ways, but there are time-proven shortcuts. Probably the most important one is 'Understand the tool before you use it'.
Another is 'Practice, practice, practice'.
Many people are more comfortable seeing the rules and guidelines in print (with accompanying photos, in this case), their mind is experienced in retaining information by that method. They usually will have a pile of books, and they use them.
Others prefer learning by direct interaction with an instructor, or (say) a more informal learning group. For those, perhaps a photo club. meetup or photo-related courses/classes would be best.
And some are most comfortable alone, just clicking away, learning as they go. This takes real discipline, you have to ask the right questions ('Why didn't this come out right?') and somehow come up with the right answer. Trial and error. In other words, everything provided by the first two methods, they will have to understand and do, themselves. Correctly.
My suggestion is to use bits of each, even though you may feel most at ease with # 3. Gather a few recommended references and read them, but first, read the users' manual and highlight the important parts.
Try taking a class or two, or join a club, one that has informal 'meetups' or photo walks, trips and outings. You'll find many other members who are in a similar position and a few 'old hands' who can readily answer questions and offer helpful tips.
And last, practice! Shoot alone, be critical when you view your photos, look at great photography (the library is a great resource) and try to figure out what the photographer did. But now, you'll have several places (the books, clubs, classes, online forums) to get answers quickly.
Use everything at your disposal, have a plan and stick to it.
JMO, YMMV,
Ron
P.S. The second part of the 'joke' about the f/1.4 lens is this; Most people consider an f/2.8 lens to be 'fast', and have shallow depth-of-field.
An f/1.4 is TWO FULL stops faster and has incredible light-gathering ability. But, anyone who understands photography in general and lens operation in particular, would also know that the depth-of-field in such a lens would be tiny. They would, without question, accept the tradeoff of shallow DOF and difficult focusing, for the capability of capturing a photo in near-impossible conditions.
So, criticizing an f/1.4 lens for being hard to focus is not only patently ridiculous, but displays an ignorance of the photographic process. Trying to sound knowledgable, while proving quite the opposite.
12-14-2013, 09:09 PM   #63
Pentaxian
PPPPPP42's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Wisconsin
Photos: Albums
Posts: 845
Hmm, I guess old school isn't even just the gear itself but how you use it. In thinking about it I still like to lock down all the fancy auto features at the beginning of the day as if I were shooting a roll of film because I don't trust the blasted thing. I like to keep the raw files for just that reason, I pick an ISO and I know that no funny business with white balance has occurred to my image without my knowledge.

I find myself shooting all film lately though as I despise the joke they call a viewfinder on DSLR's even with the upgraded focusing screen. But then I am used the to the bay window on my Super Program with FF lenses.
I find it strange that people say AF has issues with F1.4 since I find my A50 1.4 to be the easiest to focus especially on my Super Program (K1000 is a little harder). Almost comically easy in fact because it makes the whole ground glass and micro-prism collar totally pop out at you when going in and out of focus on any given point.
12-15-2013, 03:18 AM   #64
Pentaxian
Dartmoor Dave's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dartmoor, UK
Photos: Albums
Posts: 756
QuoteOriginally posted by davids8560 Quote
Forgive me but I enjoyed reading your post and I am kind of new so now I would like to know apart from the absence of film what controls are so different between the K1000 and my K5 for example?
Your K5 gives you the same manual controls as a K1000 if you choose to use them, but I personally feel that the control layout on a digital replica of the K1000 would be simpler and arguably more instinctive to use. To get an idea of what I mean, have a look at the ecstatic reception the Nikon DF has received from “old school” reviewers.

But here’s what I really mean by old school, and it has nothing to do with whether you’re using film or digital, or the vintage of your DSLR:

Old school means taking conscious control of the photographic process, so that everything you get in the final image is the result of a decision you made. I cringe when I read forum comments like, “The camera underexposed the shot” Or, “The autofocus chose the wrong subject.”

Darn it, it’s your job to thoroughly understand your equipment, and use it with control and consideration, so that the end result is as close as possible to the photograph you pre-visualised at the moment you pressed the shutter. Everything you ever learn about photographic technique should be directed towards that goal.

I suppose it’s possible that some people might understand the focus and exposure algorithms used by their DSLRs so thoroughly that they can set full auto and still be able to pre-visualise their shots. But I can’t, which is why I prefer to work in manual.

A photograph that has not been pre-visualised before you take it is, by definition, a snapshot.

(Please don't take any of this personally. I’m really surprised to find myself having such a rant. I didn’t realise I felt quite so strongly about it.)

12-15-2013, 07:44 AM   #65
Lens Buying Addict
monochrome's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kirkwood (St. Louis) MO
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 19,489
Old School Film Camera

QuoteOriginally posted by phreon Quote
Is it? The Kx is old school? To many of us, not really - it still feels more like a computer than a camera. I'd love a simple dSLR. Something that would be the equivalent of the ME Super with a full frame sensor crammed into it. Nikon did it - they brought out the DF, the direct descendent of the F1. All the primary controls are on the body. Had I known about it before purchasing the K3, I would have seriously considered it.

That being said, I still love my K3
This is my KX in the Camera database. see my avatar.



There's an old school discussion between users of the KM or KX and K1000 devotees in which we ask why someone would prefer the stripped down version of the original Pentax K-mount Holy Trinity (K2, KX, KM). The K1000 was essentially an SP1000 with a K-mnount, released as an afterthought 18 months after the original K-mounts. It was actually a commercial failure at first until photography classes caught on to its potential as a really cheap camera to use as a teaching camera.

Last edited by monochrome; 12-15-2013 at 07:51 AM.
12-15-2013, 08:40 AM   #66
Junior Member




Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 41
QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
This is my KX in the Camera database. see my avatar.



There's an old school discussion between users of the KM or KX and K1000 devotees in which we ask why someone would prefer the stripped down version of the original Pentax K-mount Holy Trinity (K2, KX, KM). The K1000 was essentially an SP1000 with a K-mnount, released as an afterthought 18 months after the original K-mounts. It was actually a commercial failure at first until photography classes caught on to its potential as a really cheap camera to use as a teaching camera.
I was thinking of the K-x, not the KX. A bit of a difference, eh?
12-15-2013, 09:10 AM   #67
Lens Buying Addict
monochrome's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kirkwood (St. Louis) MO
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 19,489
QuoteOriginally posted by phreon Quote
I was thinking of the K-x, not the KX. A bit of a difference, eh?
Yeah - that one-shot analog emulsion sensor is really old school!
12-15-2013, 09:13 AM   #68
Pentaxian
Dartmoor Dave's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Dartmoor, UK
Photos: Albums
Posts: 756
QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
This is my KX in the Camera database. see my avatar.
You caught me out too! I misread your earlier post as K-X instead of KX.

Back in Ye Olde Dayes the K2 was the one I wanted but the K1000 was what I could afford. But I'll happily take a digital version of any of the film era K series. Or the ME Super or MX. Or the LX. But not the auto only ones like the MV or the MG.

12-15-2013, 10:21 AM   #69
Lens Buying Addict
monochrome's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kirkwood (St. Louis) MO
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 19,489
QuoteOriginally posted by Dartmoor Dave Quote
I misread your earlier post as K-X instead of KX.
Happens all the time. I've tried the KM, K2 and K2DMD. ME, MESuper, MX, SuperProgram - my favorite is still the KX

Isn't ebay wonderful?
12-15-2013, 10:31 AM   #70
Site Supporter
gofour3's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 5,124
QuoteOriginally posted by dubiousone Quote
Old school is wandering the streets with not just a Spotmatic (loaded with Kodak TX B&W no less) but TWO light meters strung around one's neck. Every shot I used both and I sure got some strange looks.....LOL (I think I've got that old Weston II dialed in...at least that's what the Gossen said but the real test is when the film comes back...)
You should see the looks I get with my Pentax 6x7’s and a light meter around my neck!

Phil.
12-15-2013, 10:59 AM   #71
Junior Member




Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 41
QuoteOriginally posted by gofour3 Quote
You should see the looks I get with my Pentax 6x7’s and a light meter around my neck!

Phil.
Probably similar to the reaction a C330F with waist level viewfinder, grip/flash bracket, flash, bounce hood and cabling to make it work gets. "What is THAT?!?!", "Why does it have two lenses?!?"

Do people scream and run in horror as their ears bleed and buildings crumble after you hit the shutter release on that P67?

Last edited by phreon; 12-15-2013 at 02:58 PM.
12-15-2013, 01:33 PM   #72
Veteran Member
DavidSKAF3's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Tompkins County, NY
Photos: Albums
Posts: 542
Original Poster
Does Pentax market the same cameras under different names in different places, like, say, the Volkswagen Golfs and Rabbits?
12-15-2013, 03:00 PM   #73
PJ1
Site Supporter
PJ1's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Mosquito Creek, Australia
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,312
QuoteOriginally posted by davids8560 Quote
Does Pentax market the same cameras under different names in different places, like, say, the Volkswagen Golfs and Rabbits?

Way back around the turn of the century there was the Pentax MZ-5 in Australia (and some other places) which I believe was the same as the ZX-5 in the USA. It continued to associated models like the MZ-5n and ZX-5n.
12-15-2013, 03:04 PM   #74
Site Supporter
ramseybuckeye's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Elida, Ohio
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 8,118
QuoteOriginally posted by davids8560 Quote
Does Pentax market the same cameras under different names in different places, like, say, the Volkswagen Golfs and Rabbits?
They have, I think the last time was the K-m or K2000 DSLRs just a few years ago. A lot of the auto focus film cameras had different names depending on which continent you bought it at.

Old school is taking photos with the hood mounted the correct way.
12-15-2013, 07:49 PM   #75
Veteran Member
FrankC's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2011
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 318
QuoteOriginally posted by davids8560 Quote
Okay. I bookmarked these links. Thanks for them.


Do you think it's possible to learn photography just by shooting a lot and trying different settings? Because to be frank I am not so big on lots of reading and book study, and it seems like my photography study and reading list is growing longer and longer and piling up big time! LOL
No, not really. Shooting a lot will help, but you run into the problem of creating bad habits. "Shooting a lot" is relative term too - I take it to mean 3-4,000 frames per month. Which is doable if you're not working full time.

If you're not into reading photo textbooks, then at least buy photo books of photographers who do the type of photography that you're interested in. By looking at photo books you will enhance your visual library of photo ideas and elevate your standards as to what makes a good photo.


You're going to want to read up on compositional theory; there's no getting around it unless you've got a good mentor or instructor to tell you these things. It's one thing to look at a lot photo books, but if you don't understand why the photos are successful, then it's going to rather difficult to improve your skills.
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
camera, pentax help, photography
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Optical differences between Pentax "K", "M", and "A" lenses 6BQ5 Pentax SLR Lens Discussion 31 01-10-2014 01:02 PM
Canon EOS-M Confession: "We blew it." interested_observer Non-Pentax Cameras: Canon, Nikon, etc. 7 12-18-2013 08:56 PM
Not Work-Safe Model asks "Can we do something weird and colorful?" Ed n Georgia Post Your Photos! 4 03-09-2013 04:23 AM
Are "we" sick of "this" jeffkrol General Talk 11 12-17-2010 08:49 AM
Removing those "old school" labels from your gear? jgmankos Photographic Technique 16 06-08-2010 01:43 PM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:06 AM. | See also: NikonForums.com, part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top