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06-19-2014, 03:06 PM   #1
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I'm learning and like everything I have learnt about my camera lenses ect. So fare I have only taken photos and printed a free freckle from the chip to printer... My photos are just downloaded into I-photo. The basic one that is free in apple computers. I am not a computer guy and need something simple. I do t even know how to change a photo from raw to JPEG ...,,, anyway should I just keep trying to learn on I-photo as it is free yet limited, or should I look into Lightroom. Ps Lightroom scared me a bit as I have heard it's going to become even more price with all my photos going I it I cloud and amp thy fee for Lightroom in the future. I'm not a pro just a dad who want to keep things organized and print small stuff off on a ho photo smart e printer. Thanks for the input but please remember to keep advise and computer stuff simple please. KISS
Pd I have a k-50, 18-55 kit lens wr . Older pentax 50 prime and a use tameron 28-300 general holiday lense but in the future want the sigma 10-20

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iPhoto or Aperture may be your better bet - keeps the price low and sill organizes your images.

If you want to go premium consider Capture One as well as Lightroom. Both have their own image cataloging system. For non-cataloging software consider the free Pentax RAW editing software that comes with the camera. It may crash at times, but both it and Capture One give you good looking images from RAW files without having to know how to make all the adjustments yourself. I personally like the Capture One printing module a lot as well - it's great for laying out multiple photos per page or giving you an exact size you want (e.g. printing two 5x7 photos on 8x10 or 8.5x11 paper).


All of these products (except perhaps Aperture) have free trials as well.
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I don't do 'I' anything so cannot help about i-photo. Lightroom however is another story. I could not work without it, everything I do photographically revolves around Lightroom. That said, it is not for everyone and there is a learning curve. If you are not prepared to spend some time learning the program I would say look elsewhere. But I'm not sure where to look, Lightroom is simply the best at what it does, which is ingest, organize, process and export or print photographs. Possibly the biggest advantage of LR, at least for me, is that everything is all in one package/program. I don't have to learn an image management program, an image editing program, a RAW converter and so on, everything is done in Lightroom.

Any photo management system will have a learning curve and only be as good as the time and effort you put into it. If you dump all your photos into anything and don't spend the time to title and keyword, then in a few years all you have is a pile of photos that you know little about and can never find the one you want.

And let's stomp on the Lightroom is going cloud rumor as that is false. Adobe has repeated stated Lightroom will be available as standalone software. That said the Creative Cloud version can had for $9.99/ month and that includes Photoshop which is an incredible deal if you need those programs. I've used Lightroom for years and vowed to not go 'cloud' but the $9.99 deal swayed me and I signed up. So far it has been seamless and I'm really loving learning Photoshop and getting more creative with things beyond what Lightroom could do.
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Adobe are giving the old Photoshop CS2 away for free.


I recommend you download it and install it as it costs nothing.


I know its complicated, but you can simply get used to a couple of the adjusters so you know where to find them and ignore the rest.


If you take this approach its really easy to learn and use. And if you want to try something else it will be there for you.


As for organising your images, simply make folders named by date or topic, its up to you how you want to group them.


I use CS2 for everything nothing else is really needed for most work.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
I don't do 'I' anything so cannot help about i-photo. Lightroom however is another story. I could not work without it, everything I do photographically revolves around Lightroom. That said, it is not for everyone and there is a learning curve. If you are not prepared to spend some time learning the program I would say look elsewhere. But I'm not sure where to look, Lightroom is simply the best at what it does, which is ingest, organize, process and export or print photographs. Possibly the biggest advantage of LR, at least for me, is that everything is all in one package/program. I don't have to learn an image management program, an image editing program, a RAW converter and so on, everything is done in Lightroom.

Any photo management system will have a learning curve and only be as good as the time and effort you put into it. If you dump all your photos into anything and don't spend the time to title and keyword, then in a few years all you have is a pile of photos that you know little about and can never find the one you want.

And let's stomp on the Lightroom is going cloud rumor as that is false. Adobe has repeated stated Lightroom will be available as standalone software. That said the Creative Cloud version can had for $9.99/ month and that includes Photoshop which is an incredible deal if you need those programs. I've used Lightroom for years and vowed to not go 'cloud' but the $9.99 deal swayed me and I signed up. So far it has been seamless and I'm really loving learning Photoshop and getting more creative with things beyond what Lightroom could do.
All very good points, though it's debatable whether Lightroom is actually "the best at what it does." In fact, the lack of a catalog is the only thing that leaves DxO Optics out of the discussion.


I also like having the $10/mo. CC subscription, though I use it only for Photoshop (even though Lightroom is included at no additional charge).

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QuoteOriginally posted by Imageman Quote
I use CS2 for everything nothing else is really needed for most work.
This sounds good on the surface. But the lack of direct RAW file support for any cameras made in the last few years is a serious drawback - especially for someone who's asking to "KISS" like the OP did. I suppose you can use DNG files instead of PEF, but the lack of camera profiles (even the mediocre ones Adobe provides) is a serious problem to me.

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I use a Mac and can't see why you wouldn't just use Iphoto for now (jpegs) and then start using Aperture when you require a bit more functionality (playing with raw files) as per Dsims post above.

This keeps it simpe and Aperture is quite affordable....and you dont have to get too techky.

If you really get into photo editing in the future thats when you may understand your requirements more and may then want to look further a field. I still use Aperture for a lot of what I do (hobbyist).

I used Iphoto for about two years before moving to shooting raw and subsequently using aperture and then other more specialised programs.

For photography to stay fun and enjoyable, ensure you move at you own pace with these things…..and add some self checks along the way (i.e. it's easy to get lost at the computer spending hours seeking perceived perfection with a photo….when what you really enjoy is being in nature or with your family, experiencing it/them and maybe taking photo's…. for example)

As a hobbyist….I start to wonder when language such as "Work Flow" starts to creep in…….. I'm retired right?

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QuoteOriginally posted by DSims Quote
debatable whether Lightroom is actually "the best at what it does." In fact, the lack of a catalog is the only thing that leaves DxO Optics out of the discussion.
OK, "best for me" To be honest editing is secondary for my needs, organizing and finding an image when a client needs it or I want to sell it is the most important. Next is being able to edit and adjust an entire shoot quickly. But it's likely LR is massive overkill for the OP's stated goals. It is not the kind of program you casually sit down with once a month and get anything done. I use it daily and after almost three years I'm still finding new things. But I think in order to get the most out of any program you have to invest the time to learn it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
organizing and finding an image when a client needs it or I want to sell it is the most important.
Makes perfect sense.

QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Next is being able to edit and adjust an entire shoot quickly. But it's likely LR is massive overkill for the OP's stated goals. It is not the kind of program you casually sit down with once a month and get anything done. I use it daily and after almost three years I'm still finding new things. But I think in order to get the most out of any program you have to invest the time to learn it.
Hopefully the OP finds a solution where he only has to devote the appropriate amount of time to it.

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