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06-21-2014, 04:01 PM   #16
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I think I am going with the Canon for these reasons: 1.Brighter viewfinder 2. More controls on body (I am an ex film shooter and love these) 3. Battery grip 4. I can still use my old Takumar with an adapter 5. great cheap primes.
I own Canon Rebel SL1 and Pentax K200D. I did not notice that Canon viewfinder is brighter than Pentax. As for control, I can not complain about both models.
Battery grip- I don't need.
As for old lenses, I bought an adapter for M42 lenses for Canon without focus confirmation, and hated that. So, I bought original Pentax adapter, and love that, especially focus confirmation in camera without need to buy chipped adapter.
Also, I don't know what cheap Canon primes you are talking about. I have not noticed a huge price difference so far.

However, if you really want Canon, just go for it. Sometimes it's just irrational love. Or irrational hate (I can not stand Nikon )

Oh, one good thing about Canon. I can go to the closest BestBuy and try their lenses on my Canon. I wish it would be stores around with Pentax lenses...


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Mario,


I believe I see your problem, I see what you feel is good about the canon images and I feel your pain.


Some of your images are heading in the right direction but many suffer.


This is what I think the issue is.


Your images are confused and are weakened by it.


You say your images just sit there that a good way of describing the issue.


Image strength:-


A strong image consists of 2 elements only. SUBJECT and GROUND


The subject is the one thing the image is about or a pair or a group if the pair or group are related and connected in the frame.


The ground is everything else that is not the subject.


Look at the canon images the subject is well defined and the ground is invariably either a simple dark area or a simple light area or well out of focus.


This conforms to subject and ground, the ground by its lack of any definition does not detract from the subject, and the subject is strengthened and is striking.


These images all have a strength that grabs your attention and the result is a stunning image.


Now look at your images.


Some do indeed follow the subject and ground rule, many however have a subject that sits in a ground that is fussy and distinct, the many parts of the ground fighting for attention and the subject is weakened and lost within these many smaller details.


Now look at a range of good images in publications and the internet and see how many are simply a subject and the ground is almost non existant,


Now try an experiment, make some images but make a conscious effort to reduce the ground to the bare minimum so the subject dominates and controls the space. Then see if these images are heading in the direction you want to go.


And for your peace of mind, if im right about the images and your feelings the equipment has nothing to do with it whatsoever, keep using pentax.
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I just installed DXO Pro 9. I think what I needed was this all along! I can make the pictures look any way I want now. I'm not ready to share an example just yet but I will. This solves it. Thanks Fauxton.

Imageman... Wow. Great advice. I will start trying to do that immediately. Great observation.

I will try to post some pictures late tonight that show what I'm talking about and how the software really helps.

Everyone told me the camera wasn't the issue and now I see that. Thank you all.
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You are not crazy; yours is what I would call a first world problem; and I waste my time with silly problems like that as well. Seriously, if you feel better about your Canon, then you should not pursue this matter any further, and get rid of your Pentax. I have been experimenting with Olympus lately, but I did not like it. Although I know that Olympus cameras are every bit as good as those manufactured by Pentax, I have decided to stick with Pentax. It all boils down to personal taste.


QuoteOriginally posted by mario-trumpet Quote
Hi everyone. I have been shooting Pentax DSLR's for about 3 years now. I use to shoot only film (Fujica, Nikon, Canon, Konica). I had a KM and nowI have a K-X that I use with a 18-55 DA AL, 50mm smc-a f2, a Takumar 55mm 1.8, and a Sigma 70-300 DL Super Macro.

Ok, now that the exposition is out of the way here's my issue. Everything on paper tells me that I have a good camera, but when I compare Pentax KX to most Canon dslr images I seem to always prefer Canon. I just feel like I could reach in and grab the images. With my KX it just kind of sits there. I have taken some shots on my wife's t1i and I much prefer the results.

So the obvious answer is to just get a Canon and shut up already. But am I Crazy? Is it all in my head? I am seriously thinking of switching to a Canon 20d! I just love the images I see. All lenses, even kit. It just looks right. Should I follow my gut and make the switch to a 20d with a 70-300 usm and a 40mm 2.8 STM or stick with the Pentax and try to get over this?

I am not great at this photography thing by any means. Here is my flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mariopanda/ (a couple of my wifes t1i pictures are in there.)

Maybe I just need some tips to take better pictures. Help clearing my jumbled mind at this point would be much appreciated.

Here are some Canon 20d images: Flickriver: Random photos from Canon 20D World pool


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Ill just add a little about taste in cameras and my opinion of how that relates to image production.


A camera is a lens attached to a body that carries a recording medium.


The lenses vary but all produce good results with some slight differences in clarity and resolution. There is no such thing as a bad lens.


The recording medium does affect the image, film offered different colour renditions and resolutions, sensors have different settings that affect the colour rendition, and different megapixel counts that affect resolution.


Pentax offer one approach to sensor renderings, Canon different and Nikon different again. All manufacturers offer their own take on rendering and resolution.


Rendering differences can be adjusted for in post processing, but to save that step, if a Canon or a Nikon or a Pentax offers a rendering that you prefer it makes sense to use that camera body. My own choice is to use whatever I have and modify in post.


Any digital camera can produce stunning images regardless of whether its a 2 megapixel model or any other megapixel count up to the current crop of 35 to 50 megapixel monsters.


A 2 megapixel camera can produce superb 10x8 prints when handled well by a competent photographer who knows how to post process and has the right tools.


By all means choose the camera your happiest with, but the inescapable truth is that a poor image will not be improved by changing the equipment it will however be improved by changing the photographer. And that means when the photographer improves his or her technique through better understanding, better images will start to happen.


My conclusion therefore is that choosing a camera by "taste" that you prefer in its image "look" out of the camera can and does help you achieve the images you want by simplifying the post processing workflow, but any camera should be capable of producing a top quality superb image. With the exception of specialist photography requiring specialist equipment.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mario-trumpet Quote
Canon for these reasons: 1.Brighter viewfinder 2. More controls on body (I am an ex film shooter and love these) 3. Battery grip 4. I can still use my old Takumar with an adapter 5. great cheap primes.
Buying into a camera system is a matter of preference and as stated wonderfully any camera has the capability of taking great photos if used well but to address these none the less.

1. Your K-x is similar to Lower Canon's with 96% coverage and using a Pentamirror. If you want brighter than you need to step up to a camera with 100% coverage and using a Pentaprism which is in many Pentax models.

2. If you want more controls then there are Pentax bodies that have them available. The newer body styles the K5ll, K5 ll's and K3 offer many convenient controls you wont find on the low to mid model Canons. The K5 ll's right now is priced less that any of the lower Canon models.

3. Any of these models above have the ability to add a Battery Grip.

4. Great cheap primes? your Pentax can use any Pentax lens ever made with only the M42's needing an adapter. Some may require a slight shield modification though.

5. I'll throw this one in because it needs to be stated also. Weather resistance offered across the board on camera models.

Bottom line is Pentax offers everything you state you want at a much more affordable price afaik. If you want Canon then that is fine but you wont find a system that offers more at a better price.
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Bottom line is Pentax offers everything you state you want at a much more affordable price afaik. If you want Canon then that is fine but you wont find a system that offers more at a better price.
I disagree. Nikon d5200 is one hell of a camera; not the same build quality as Pentax perhaps, but excellent in terms of image output. Furthermore, if you are not into vintage glass, there are really no compelling reasons for choosing Pentax over brands x, y, and z. Pentax have nothing that can match the Nikkor 35mm 1.8 and 40mm 2.8 with 1:1 macro capability in terms of price. In other words, that Pentax offer vastly better value for money is a myth to which far too many Pentaxians are beholden. I would not choose Nikon because I don't want to have anything to do with Canikon, but that is my problem.

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Oldbayruner: 1. 20d has a Pentaprism
2. Cant afford a K5, or K3. 20D is $100
3. KX can not ad a battery Grip.
4.Canon 50mm 1.8 $70-90 used, Canon 40mm 2.8 $120-140 used, Canon 50mm 1.4 under $300 used, etc. Also I like M42 lenes and old pentax k mount glass and will continue to use them.
5. KX no weather proofing.

Pentax does offer everything I want and more but not for the price range I am looking in used. I am going to stick to my Kx anyways as stated in my last post. If I do switch it will be so my wife and I can share lenes and pool canon resources. I also like the build quality of the 20d which is more like a pro model than a rebel.

---------- Post added 06-22-14 at 02:36 PM ----------

This a test shot I ran in DXO pro 9. Before:
After:

This was an old image I took when I first got my KM back in the day. I really like what I can do with DXO pro editing software more than lightroom. It scratches whatever itch image wise I had for canon. Now I can have that canon look if I want or not. I love the different film styles and camera bodies, the advance lighting stuff. Its just great!

Thanks to each and everyone one of you for making my first real thread on this forum so welcoming and successful for me.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mario-trumpet Quote
Oldbayruner: 1. 20d has a Pentaprism
2. Cant afford a K5, or K3. 20D is $100
3. KX can not ad a battery Grip.
4.Canon 50mm 1.8 $70-90 used, Canon 40mm 2.8 $120-140 used, Canon 50mm 1.4 under $300 used, etc. Also I like M42 lenes and old pentax k mount glass and will continue to use them.
5. KX no weather proofing.

Pentax does offer everything I want and more but not for the price range I am looking in used. I am going to stick to my Kx anyways as stated in my last post. If I do switch it will be so my wife and I can share lenes and pool canon resources. I also like the build quality of the 20d which is more like a pro model than a rebel.

---------- Post added 06-22-14 at 02:36 PM ----------

This a test shot I ran in DXO pro 9. Before:
After:

This was an old image I took when I first got my KM back in the day. I really like what I can do with DXO pro editing software more than lightroom. It scratches whatever itch image wise I had for canon. Now I can have that canon look if I want or not. I love the different film styles and camera bodies, the advance lighting stuff. Its just great!

Thanks to each and everyone one of you for making my first real thread on this forum so welcoming and successful for me.
Just to reiterate. This DXO image is headed in the right direction. Not there yet.


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Took your first photo and quickly touched up in Photoshop CC, One touch Color correction with smart sharpen
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Oldbayrunner. I like it! I was having trouble finding out how to sharpen in DXO. Still have to play with it. Really like how it's sharp and still vivid. Skin tones better too. Thanks. I think my edited one is a little too washed out color wise and not sharp. I will have to play with different images today bu the program runs like a snail on my little netbook.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mario-trumpet Quote
2. Cant afford a K5, or K3. 20D is $100
The 20d is a ten year old model. Do you know the shutter count? It is more than likely living on borrowed time already, and you will be facing this decision again in short order.

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If I do switch it will be so my wife and I can share lenes and pool canon resources.
That is a good strategy, but there is also the reverse - buy her a Pentax so that you can both share lenses and pool Pentax resources. That's what I did!
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One more suggestion, get a 50mm/1.7. A stunning lens at a cheap price. The 50/f2 is nowhere near as good.
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I'd suggest a test drive of the k500 or a k-5 classic. Slight sensor bump to 16mpx, prism vfinder for brighter views, and many more controls than the k-x. I always thought well of the 12mpx sensor, it's nearly as versatile as the 16! At today's k500 price it seems like an easy test before jumping away.

Good luck in any case!
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mario-trumpet,
Today I found an amazing photographer while searching the web. Guess what, he is using Pentax! Check his outstanding art!

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