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11-07-2014, 08:08 AM - 1 Like   #16
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As Tom mentioned, the Promaster 28-105 is inexpensive and quite nice. They're underestimated, but perform quite well.

But for walkaround usually I take the 18-135 unless I'm out with a specific lens like a prime, just to use that FL. Look for a used one if you want to save some cash. Having a WR lens is something to consider. It can make the difference if the weather looks dicey, and you're debating whether to bring the camera.

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the 18-135 is actually a great lens for a zoom, it approaches the primes in center sharpness at several foacal lengths. Edge sharpness is the compromise but it's also a lot less important than center sharpness. Sharp edge to edge doesn't really exist in a super zoom
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I don't think you could really go wrong with a manual Pentax-M 28 f/2.8 if you like shooting manual mode. I wouldn't underestimate the 18-55 DA L WR kit lens though either. It's a very nice lens and does well walking.
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I know you think of the 18-135mm WR as too pricy, but I have to echo several commenters here. Ever since I've bought mine, it has been my constant companion for travel, for walking around, for everything where I don't either need long reach or don't have time for swapping lenses under changing conditions. Plus, weather.

If you're already certain you want the two primes mentioned, grab 'em. But if you're not yet sure which focal lengths you prefer, get the 18-135mm up front, alone, shoot a few hundred shots, and see where you find your focal length falling most of the time. The answer can be revealing.

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Although zooms seem like the logical choice a good prime can often be the very best walk around lens. The FA 31 1.8 is very expensive but, for me it is the classic walk around. However, you will get very good results from a DA 21 or DA 40 which are often available used at bargain prices. Seriously consider getting a quality prime and wait until you can afford a DA*50-135 or other high end zoom.
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If you're thinking super zoom, nothing else compares to the 18-135. If you can get it as part of your kit it will lower the price. I'd order it with the camera. Given the 3 primes you want... other considerations would be the 21 ltd, the DA 15, and the DA*200 ƒ2.8. But if you think the DA 18-135 is pricey...the 3 lenses you've picked are a great starter kit and there to get people going with some good cheap glass.

But you're not going to be able to match that quality and that price with every focal length. Unless of course you were to go used. I paid close to $700 for my 18-135, I can't believe people find it expensive at today's prices. But then I also paid $1400 for a DA*60-250, so the 18-135 kind of seems like a deal. The 18-135 is rated as excellent for centre sharpness all through it's range, anyone who says you can do better in a zoom that's 7:1 or over is to be regarded with suspicion.

Does it mean you won't want to switch to a prime? probably not.. does it mean you won't lose much if you don't switch to a prime? I guarantee you if I post a bunch of images DA 18-135 against the three lenses you mentioned you won't be able to tell the difference unless you pixel peep, and maybe not even then. The loss in zooms is CA and micro-contrast, not image detail.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ramseybuckeye Quote
The 18-135 is pricey because it's good, it's not the same quality as the 18-55, it's much better. Personally I would steer clear of those Sigmas. If you want a good cheap walk around zoom look for a used Tamron/Promaster/Pentax 28-105mm 1:4-5.6 (not the Powerzoom Pentax 28-105). It's a nice sharp lens that can be found at rather inexpensive prices.
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The 18-135 is pricey because it's good, it's not the same quality as the 18-55, it's much better. Personally I would steer clear of those Sigmas. If you want a good cheap walk around zoom look for a used Tamron/Promaster/Pentax 28-105mm 1:4-5.6 (not the Powerzoom Pentax 28-105). It's a nice sharp lens that can be found at rather inexpensive prices.
Hi Sir. As a newbie, I'm currently researching what to get for my first and second lens and I came across your post. I'm very curious and just wanted to ask - Why do you recommend staying away from Sigma lenses? Thanks.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Echo.Delta Quote
Hi Sir. As a newbie, I'm currently researching what to get for my first and second lens and I came across your post. I'm very curious and just wanted to ask - Why do you recommend staying away from Sigma lenses? Thanks.
I not mean to stay away from Sigma, I just don't have faith in those two mentioned in the original post, the Sigma 18-200 and the Sigma 18-250. My experience with zooms with that much range suffer too much with loss of image quality, the only exceptions I've seen are the Pentax DA 55-300, and the Sigma 50-500. Especially in recent years, Sigma has made some exceptionally good lenses. Possibly the recent version of the superzooms have overcome earlier problems.

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I'll throw my 2 cents in ...


If the 18-135 is too pricey and WR is not needed, a Sigma DC 17-70 f/2.8-4.5 can be found cheap and is wonderfully sharp across the entire focal range. It can be had rather inexpensively ($200 +/- $20). I have quite a few lenses and this lens is by far the most versatile giving me good reach and a nice wide FOV when needed. Add to that the close-focus/Macro mode and it proves to be quite a versatile lens. The K50 is a nice camera (I own its kissing cousin, the K500 (and a K3)) and at 70mm you can get pretty close -- if not close enough, the images can be cropped significantly and still retain a high quality with the K50. It is also faster than the 18-135 if you find yourself needing a bit more light for low-light interior or evening/night shots. Couple the Sigma DC 17-70 w/ a Sigma APO DG 70-300 and you've got just about every scenario covered. I can't stress how nice it is to have decent Macro capability on your walk-around lens.


I also agree that the Pentax DA 18-55 is way under-rated. It is a very serviceable lens and the WR version is built on the DA 18-55 II optics which reviews better than the non II or WR lens. The WR can be had for less than $100.


Another note: If you don't mind a manual focus lens -- a Pentax-A 35-105 f/3.5 (Stack of Primes) is a FANTASTIC lens with a very usable focal range. It is incredibly sharp with wonderful colors. It is big, and it is heavy, but it is quite balanced on the body and is a joy to use (feels like a precision instrument). If you can find them, they'll set you back about $100. A BARGAIN! (OK - -maybe too heavy for Walk-around, but keep it on your list ...)


Good luck!!

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Hello Guys!

Just newbie here...

Would like to buy my first DSLR- Pentax K50. However still confused about lenses.

I think about DA 18-135 WR (as kit lens) or DA 18-55 WR together with DA 50-200 WR.
DA 18-135 is cheaper when purchased as kit with K-50 body. So K-50 body with DA 18-55 & 50-200 is more expensive than K-50 with DA 18-135.

However I read mixed reviews about DA 18-135 varying from admiration to rejection (as mediocre lens).

Another question is if DAL lenses (with plastic mount, lacking fast AF and cover) are even worth considering - DAL 18-55 or DAL 18-135?

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QuoteOriginally posted by ps1984 Quote
Hello Guys!

Just newbie here...

Would like to buy my first DSLR- Pentax K50. However still confused about lenses.

I think about DA 18-135 WR (as kit lens) or DA 18-55 WR together with DA 50-200 WR.
DA 18-135 is cheaper when purchased as kit with K-50 body. So K-50 body with DA 18-55 & 50-200 is more expensive than K-50 with DA 18-135.

However I read mixed reviews about DA 18-135 varying from admiration to rejection (as mediocre lens).

Another question is if DAL lenses (with plastic mount, lacking fast AF and cover) are even worth considering - DAL 18-55 or DAL 18-135?

Greets
First of all, there is no DA L 18-135mm, but both the 18-55mm and 50-200mm lenses bundled with the K-50 are DA L's and therefore have plastic mounts.

The 18-135mm is a fantastic lens overall. If you can get it for less than the other two, I wouldn't even think twice. It's more versatile, has silent AF, and focuses much more quickly- not to mention the higher resale value. The image quality perfectly acceptable for an all in one lens. See our review here:
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QuoteOriginally posted by ps1984 Quote
Hello Guys!

Just newbie here...

Would like to buy my first DSLR- Pentax K50. However still confused about lenses.

I think about DA 18-135 WR (as kit lens) or DA 18-55 WR together with DA 50-200 WR.
DA 18-135 is cheaper when purchased as kit with K-50 body. So K-50 body with DA 18-55 & 50-200 is more expensive than K-50 with DA 18-135.

However I read mixed reviews about DA 18-135 varying from admiration to rejection (as mediocre lens).

Another question is if DAL lenses (with plastic mount, lacking fast AF and cover) are even worth considering - DAL 18-55 or DAL 18-135?

Greets
What Adam said.

I started out with the 18-55 and 50-200, but I haven't used them after I got the 18-135. The 18-135 is just better.

If you want something longer in addition I would recommend one of the 55-300 variants.
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standard reply would be 17-50 or the 18-135, but, maybe stick with primes, and go for a 21mm or 15mm

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QuoteOriginally posted by ps1984 Quote
Hello Guys!

Just newbie here...

Would like to buy my first DSLR- Pentax K50. However still confused about lenses.

I think about DA 18-135 WR (as kit lens) or DA 18-55 WR together with DA 50-200 WR.
DA 18-135 is cheaper when purchased as kit with K-50 body. So K-50 body with DA 18-55 & 50-200 is more expensive than K-50 with DA 18-135.

However I read mixed reviews about DA 18-135 varying from admiration to rejection (as mediocre lens).

Another question is if DAL lenses (with plastic mount, lacking fast AF and cover) are even worth considering - DAL 18-55 or DAL 18-135?

Greets
If you are buying a camera and there is an option to get the 18-135 as part of a kit, do it. It's a very good zoom lens for the price, the zoom range makes it quite versatile and it's weather-resistant. If you are buying your first DSLR (welcome to Pentax!), getting this lens is a a no-brainer. It can be somewhat expensive to buy separately, but well-priced as part of a kit. For a 2nd lens, I would buy either the WR 55-300 (if you want the zoom range) or an affordable prime lens (new or used).
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I think the 18-135 and 55-300 is a hard-to-beat starter system. These will let you figure out what you want to do better, then pursue dedicated lenses for those purposes. You'll still find yourself using those two zooms regularly, they won't become closet queens. The 55-300 can be purchased used for a good discount. If you can get the 18-135 as part of a kit, as mentioned above, you'll save some money.
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