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05-27-2015, 02:01 AM   #1
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Exif data doesn't report manual flash information

Hi there,

I have recently bought a non P-TTL manual focus (Yongnuo YN560 mark II) which works really nice but to my surprise, either if it fires or not (the flash is physically connected through an extension cord to the hot-shoe on top of the camera body), the exif data always reports that it "did not fire".

Is this a normal? Does it happen even with P-TTL focuses?

The camera is a Pentax K-50 firmware 1.00.

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05-27-2015, 05:38 AM   #2
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A manual flash only uses the power part of the hot shoe so no information is exchanged.
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QuoteOriginally posted by arnion Quote
Is this a normal? Does it happen even with P-TTL...
Good question. To be honest, I have never used the exif for that purpose. I pulled out my AF 280 T (has no digital data pin) and my Sigma AF-610 DG Super (has digital data pin) and actually did the test. As Oldbayrunner commented above, most manual flash units lack the data pin that allows confirmation that the flash actually fired. The results of my short test are:
  • On-board flash off: exif = off, did not fire
  • On-board flash on P-TTL: exif = on, fired
  • On-board flash on, manual = on, fired
  • Sigma flash off: exif = off, did not fire
  • Sigma flash on, P-TTL = on, fired
  • Sigma flash on, M = on, fired
  • AF280T off = off, did not fire
  • AF280T auto-thyristor = on, fired
  • AF280T M = off, did not fire
Hmmmmmm...that next to last bullet looks a bit out of place. The AF280T lacks a digital data contact, but the exif recorded the flash correctly. What is more, it only did so in one of its automated modes. The answer lies with the history of Pentax flash automation. There was an earlier, analog flash automation protocol that that worked with the three contacts present on the AF280T and similar flashes. That earlier protocol provided confirmation for successful automated flash. Current Pentax dSLRs provide partial support for the analog protocol and are able to read the flash confirmation signal.

  • The hot shoe is always "hot"
  • Flash confirmation requires a flash that supports that feature through either digital (four contacts) or analog (three contacts) protocol
  • Exif record of flash state is limited to flashes capable of confirmation

06-12-2015, 03:55 PM   #4
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A very good and logical summary, and thanks for the test data Steve. Presumably in manual mode the confirmation of correct exposure signal is not sent, since manual is not performing any reflectance measurements.

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As far as I can tell that's right, mine doesn't show either, I've always thought it would be because it's not a TTL and can't communicate with the camera.

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