Two photos lost from first K-1 session

**Wheatridger** · 08-30-2016, 08:23 PM

I used my new K-1 for three real estate jobs today. A very exciting experience! From the bigger viewfinder to the brighter rear screen, everything about the camera seemed designed to help with my work.

Only one problem. When I showed the agent my photos, she said I hadn’t gotten the downstairs bedroom. I was sure I’d done it, but I did it once more. Back home, two file numbers (Nos. 46 and 47 out of about 150) were missing, listed as "unable to import." And I remembered the camera locking up briefly, displaying an error message about being unable to write the file. I had to turn off the camera to clear it. Have you ever experienced this? I haven’t, with multiple cameras. I hesitate to declare the camera faulty at fault yet- on the first use, user error is always possible. But I’m thinking I ought to send this one back in favor of another.

**caliscouser** · 08-30-2016, 08:29 PM

Interesting. New or old card?

**Schraubstock** · 08-30-2016, 09:03 PM

Did you do an in-camera format before the shoot ?
I find this to be important as multiple or constant erasures of images to free space or empty a card (erase all) can clog up the file structure.
It is also possible, since it is a new camera to you that, inadvertently , you have loaded a card which was formatted by any of you previous model cams.

Cheers

**snpsht** · 08-30-2016, 10:55 PM

I too found I had to format the cards in the camera to prevent the odd camera freeze.

**Wheatridger** · 08-30-2016, 11:05 PM

It was a used card, but I formatted it in camera before use. That's my habit. I always format rather than delete.

Ratcheteer · 08-31-2016, 02:18 AM

steer clear of sandisk extreme and ultra cards, they are fast but die young and fail to often
samsung has issues too so another one to avoid
I use lexar pro uhs-1 cards cause they can be purchased in twin packs (i use both cards for recording in a sony FS-5 the joys of having dual sd slots)
also transend uhs-1 micro sd cards are extremely reliable as anyone with a dash cam would tell you

Sandy Hancock · 08-31-2016, 02:23 AM

For these sort of shoots I would go for duplicate RAW on both cards.

**UncleVanya** · 08-31-2016, 05:17 AM

Try a new card before concluding anything.

**Wheatridger** · 08-31-2016, 09:18 AM

The card was a Lexar Platinum II. It was pretty old, with signs of wear. But I thought a card either worked or it didn't. I'll try something else today. I understand how using dual cards adds redundancy. It's just that with other cameras, most with single slots, I've never had this happen. It can't be a common problem. It does take away some of my trust in the K-1 -this one, anyway.

**UncleVanya** · 08-31-2016, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Wheatridger

The card was a Lexar Platinum II. It was pretty old, with signs of wear. But I thought a card either worked or it didn't. I'll try something else today. I understand how using dual cards adds redundancy. It's just that with other cameras, most with single slots, I've never had this happen. It can't be a common problem. It does take away some of my trust in the K-1 -this one, anyway.

We have seen reports of single image failures on other models which generally were resolved by trashing the card and starting with a fresh one.

I say again, don't blame the K-1 until you know if this is a card issue. Also what a lot of people do is write RAW to one and JPG to the other. You may lose the RAW but you would still have an image to work from with very little penalty in terms of time/space.

Ratcheteer · 09-01-2016, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Wheatridger

The card was a Lexar Platinum II

if it predates the uhs standard then its really old (and most likely uses a micro controller based on a 8051 cmos) all the newer cards are using arm based controllers

Originally posted by UncleVanya

I say again, don't blame the K-1 until you know if this is a card issue. Also what a lot of people do is write RAW to one and JPG to the other. You may lose the RAW but you would still have an image to work from with very little penalty in terms of time/space.

like a high performance engine, the faster a card is the shorter its life span is gonna be

reminds me of a road safety advert - the faster you go, the bigger the mess

**Wheatridger** · 09-02-2016, 09:49 AM

Problem solved-- it was a bad card. Today I happened to put in in a different camera and got error messages on the first few shots. These SD cards are certainly reusable, but they do seem to wear out. Thanks for the good advice.

stevebrot · 09-02-2016, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Wheatridger

These SD cards are certainly reusable, but they do seem to wear out. Thanks for the good advice.

...and when they wear out it is not always an all-or-nothing case. There are limits as to how many times they can be formatted/written.

Steve

08-30-2016, 08:23 PM	#1
Wheatridger Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Colorado Front Range Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 644	Two photos lost from first K-1 session I used my new K-1 for three real estate jobs today. A very exciting experience! From the bigger viewfinder to the brighter rear screen, everything about the camera seemed designed to help with my work. Only one problem. When I showed the agent my photos, she said I hadn’t gotten the downstairs bedroom. I was sure I’d done it, but I did it once more. Back home, two file numbers (Nos. 46 and 47 out of about 150) were missing, listed as "unable to import." And I remembered the camera locking up briefly, displaying an error message about being unable to write the file. I had to turn off the camera to clear it. Have you ever experienced this? I haven’t, with multiple cameras. I hesitate to declare the camera faulty at fault yet- on the first use, user error is always possible. But I’m thinking I ought to send this one back in favor of another.

08-30-2016, 11:05 PM	#5
Wheatridger Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Colorado Front Range Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 644 Original Poster	It was a used card, but I formatted it in camera before use. That's my habit. I always format rather than delete. Last edited by Wheatridger; 08-30-2016 at 11:22 PM.

08-31-2016, 09:18 AM	#9
Wheatridger Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Colorado Front Range Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 644 Original Poster	The card was a Lexar Platinum II. It was pretty old, with signs of wear. But I thought a card either worked or it didn't. I'll try something else today. I understand how using dual cards adds redundancy. It's just that with other cameras, most with single slots, I've never had this happen. It can't be a common problem. It does take away some of my trust in the K-1 -this one, anyway. Last edited by Wheatridger; 08-31-2016 at 09:23 AM.

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08-30-2016, 08:29 PM	#2
caliscouser Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,037	Interesting. New or old card?

08-30-2016, 09:03 PM	#3
Schraubstock Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,386	Did you do an in-camera format before the shoot ? I find this to be important as multiple or constant erasures of images to free space or empty a card (erase all) can clog up the file structure. It is also possible, since it is a new camera to you that, inadvertently , you have loaded a card which was formatted by any of you previous model cams. Cheers

08-30-2016, 10:55 PM	#4
snpsht Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South Coast, NSW Posts: 286	I too found I had to format the cards in the camera to prevent the odd camera freeze.

08-31-2016, 02:18 AM	#6
Ratcheteer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 223	steer clear of sandisk extreme and ultra cards, they are fast but die young and fail to often samsung has issues too so another one to avoid I use lexar pro uhs-1 cards cause they can be purchased in twin packs (i use both cards for recording in a sony FS-5 the joys of having dual sd slots) also transend uhs-1 micro sd cards are extremely reliable as anyone with a dash cam would tell you

08-31-2016, 02:23 AM	#7
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,269	For these sort of shoots I would go for duplicate RAW on both cards.

08-31-2016, 05:17 AM	#8
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,398	Try a new card before concluding anything.

08-31-2016, 10:13 AM	#10
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,398	Originally posted by Wheatridger The card was a Lexar Platinum II. It was pretty old, with signs of wear. But I thought a card either worked or it didn't. I'll try something else today. I understand how using dual cards adds redundancy. It's just that with other cameras, most with single slots, I've never had this happen. It can't be a common problem. It does take away some of my trust in the K-1 -this one, anyway. We have seen reports of single image failures on other models which generally were resolved by trashing the card and starting with a fresh one. I say again, don't blame the K-1 until you know if this is a card issue. Also what a lot of people do is write RAW to one and JPG to the other. You may lose the RAW but you would still have an image to work from with very little penalty in terms of time/space.

09-01-2016, 07:25 PM	#11
Ratcheteer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 223	Originally posted by Wheatridger The card was a Lexar Platinum II if it predates the uhs standard then its really old (and most likely uses a micro controller based on a 8051 cmos) all the newer cards are using arm based controllers Originally posted by UncleVanya I say again, don't blame the K-1 until you know if this is a card issue. Also what a lot of people do is write RAW to one and JPG to the other. You may lose the RAW but you would still have an image to work from with very little penalty in terms of time/space. like a high performance engine, the faster a card is the shorter its life span is gonna be reminds me of a road safety advert - the faster you go, the bigger the mess

09-02-2016, 09:49 AM	#12
Wheatridger Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Colorado Front Range Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 644 Original Poster	Problem solved-- it was a bad card. Today I happened to put in in a different camera and got error messages on the first few shots. These SD cards are certainly reusable, but they do seem to wear out. Thanks for the good advice.

09-02-2016, 12:39 PM	#13
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Wheatridger These SD cards are certainly reusable, but they do seem to wear out. Thanks for the good advice. ...and when they wear out it is not always an all-or-nothing case. There are limits as to how many times they can be formatted/written. Steve

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