Do any of you shoot on a tripod with SR on?

wombat2go · 12-21-2016, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by p38arover

To be honest, I don't know why it has to be turned off.

In the K-01 Manual: "
Using the Shake Reduction Function
to Prevent Camera Shake
"

E-man · 12-21-2016, 09:38 PM

I'm lazy and leave SR on, even when using my tripod. Hey, you never know when an earthquake might hit, so it pays to be prepared, right?

pakinjapan · 12-21-2016, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by E-man

I'm lazy and leave SR on, even when using my tripod. Hey, you never know when an earthquake might hit, so it pays to be prepared, right?

that's funny. I have a few time taking photo during earthquake strike. I found that if it shook hard enough for human to feel, SR won't help!

**lithedreamer** · 12-21-2016, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Professor Batty

The MeFoto tripod I have has a place on the underside of where the legs attach to attach a small carabiner, I attach my camera bag to that and it effectively increases the mass. SR off.

I've tried using that with the 70-200, but I've noticed that my backpack is often heavy enough to put significant strain on the tripod. The other day when I tried it, the centre column suddenly collapsed on me, which was...startling.

Huy · 12-21-2016, 10:55 PM

I usually use 2 sec timer when shooting with the tripod. But I forgot to do it 2 days ago

wombat2go · 12-21-2016, 11:05 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pakinjapan

that's funny. I have a few time taking photo during earthquake strike. I found that if it shook hard enough for human to feel, SR won't help!

Hi Pak,
I can vouch for your opinion.
In about 1992 ( I forget exactly) , I was presenting, with a colleague engineer, a training course near Ikebukuro
I took this photo with the Pentax ME Super and the SMC Pentax 1:2 50mm and the Pentax AF16 Flash.
After that a tremor shook us all and I recall the building columns,
like the one shown in this photo, twisting all along the building.
https://app.box.com/s/2bihp0353890b6f8edgvvpyym89m7e5w
I recall that all the trains tripped off and we had to wait in client's factory for about 12 hours before
all clear.

Unregistered User 8 · 12-21-2016, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by p38arover

I usually forget to turn off SR.

To be honest, I don't know why it has to be turned off.

Hi Ron. The SR is designed to counteract vibration, as you know. BUT, without any vibration present the SR while trying to detect vibration can actually set up its own. As it is trying to stop its own vibration and can't, it can set off a feedback loop on itself and actually damage the SR. Here is an old thread that covers it pretty well. Some of the posters in that thread are in this one as well.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/58-troubleshooting-beginner-help/246727-w...ke-tripod.html

EDIT - " potentially " damage instead of " actually " damage intended. Apologies for any confusion caused.

Last edited by Unregistered User 8; 12-22-2016 at 03:48 AM. Reason: Add text

wombat2go · 12-21-2016, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by pjv

The SR is designed to counteract vibration, as you know. BUT, without any vibration present the SR while trying to detect vibration can actually set up its own. As it is trying to stop its own vibration and can't, it can set off a feedback loop on itself and actually damage the SR.

I doubt that it works like that.
Can you cite a ref?
The K-01 manual page 100, for example , seems to explain it.
Regards,

**lithedreamer** · 12-21-2016, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by pjv

Hi Ron. The SR is designed to counteract vibration, as you know. BUT, without any vibration present the SR while trying to detect vibration can actually set up its own. As it is trying to stop its own vibration and can't, it can set off a feedback loop on itself and actually damage the SR. Here is an old thread that covers it pretty well. Some of the posters in that thread are in this one as well.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/58-troubleshooting-beginner-help/246727-w...ke-tripod.html

That doesn't sound right. Has anyone ever actually broken their SR by doing that?

Unregistered User 8 · 12-21-2016, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by wombat2go

I doubt that it works like that.
Can you cite a ref?
The K-01 manual page 100, for example , seems to explain it.
Regards,

A short ' captain google " search found this. As there will always be photographers who dispute all manner of theories, SR is specifically designed for hand holding the camera. Cheers.

How to Make Sure You are Using Image Stabilization Correctly

wombat2go · 12-22-2016, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by pjv

As there will always be photographers who dispute all manner of theories, SR is specifically designed for hand holding the camera. Cheers.

I recommend you read your Pentax Camera Manual before pontificating on here.

Unregistered User 8 · 12-22-2016, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by pjv

A short ' captain google " search found this. As there will always be photographers who dispute all manner of theories, SR is specifically designed for hand holding the camera. Cheers.

How to Make Sure You are Using Image Stabilization Correctly

Originally posted by wombat2go

I recommend you read your Pentax Camera Manual before pontificating on here.

Apologies if you thought this was an attack wombat2go, as this was not my intention. Camera manuals state the SR should be turned off when using a tripod, yet many know this and still leave it on. That is what I meant by " disputing " theories. I was not being purposely disrespectful.

Unregistered User 8 · 12-22-2016, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by lithedreamer

That doesn't sound right. Has anyone ever actually broken their SR by doing that?

What I should have written, but did not in my haste was, has the " potential " to damage the SR. The feedback loop is a real occurrence as a consequence of the sensor setting up its own movement in trying to compensate for perceived movement. That is why some complain about blurry images even though they used a tripod - the camera was still set with SR ON. If you read the old thread and the other link I have provided, it is recommended that the SR be OFF when using a tripod. Apologies for any confusion that I have caused ( inadvertently ).

**Rondec** · 12-22-2016, 03:41 AM

I typically would have the SR off when I'm on a tripod, as I am using the self timer or a wireless remote to trigger the image. If I didn't use those and was more using the tripod the way you would use a monopod, then I probably wouldn't hesitate to use SR. SR is there to counteract shake. If you are rock steady, then it can actually make images worse, but if you are shaking some then it should help.

**ffking** · 12-22-2016, 04:23 AM

In terms of set up, I prefer my heavy old metal Gitzo and Arca Swiss Monoball when using the the K-1 with the 70-200, but my mid range aluminium Manfrotto (055 XPRO series) + XPRO ball head can certainly handle the combo with a little more care -as others have said, I mostly use the 2-sec timer, so no SR, but the differnce between really sharp and not really sharp with a lens of that quality makes me reluctant to take any chances with non-recommended procedures

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12-21-2016, 07:44 PM	#16
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by p38arover To be honest, I don't know why it has to be turned off. In the K-01 Manual: " Using the Shake Reduction Function to Prevent Camera Shake "

12-21-2016, 09:38 PM	#17
E-man Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 678	I'm lazy and leave SR on, even when using my tripod. Hey, you never know when an earthquake might hit, so it pays to be prepared, right?

12-21-2016, 10:11 PM	#18
pakinjapan Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,041	Originally posted by E-man I'm lazy and leave SR on, even when using my tripod. Hey, you never know when an earthquake might hit, so it pays to be prepared, right? that's funny. I have a few time taking photo during earthquake strike. I found that if it shook hard enough for human to feel, SR won't help!

12-21-2016, 10:15 PM	#19
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799 Original Poster	Originally posted by Professor Batty The MeFoto tripod I have has a place on the underside of where the legs attach to attach a small carabiner, I attach my camera bag to that and it effectively increases the mass. SR off. I've tried using that with the 70-200, but I've noticed that my backpack is often heavy enough to put significant strain on the tripod. The other day when I tried it, the centre column suddenly collapsed on me, which was...startling.

12-21-2016, 10:55 PM	#20
Huy Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 87	I usually use 2 sec timer when shooting with the tripod. But I forgot to do it 2 days ago

12-21-2016, 11:05 PM - 1 Like	#21
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by pakinjapan that's funny. I have a few time taking photo during earthquake strike. I found that if it shook hard enough for human to feel, SR won't help! Hi Pak, I can vouch for your opinion. In about 1992 ( I forget exactly) , I was presenting, with a colleague engineer, a training course near Ikebukuro I took this photo with the Pentax ME Super and the SMC Pentax 1:2 50mm and the Pentax AF16 Flash. After that a tremor shook us all and I recall the building columns, like the one shown in this photo, twisting all along the building. https://app.box.com/s/2bihp0353890b6f8edgvvpyym89m7e5w I recall that all the trains tripped off and we had to wait in client's factory for about 12 hours before all clear.

12-21-2016, 11:30 PM	#22
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Originally posted by p38arover I usually forget to turn off SR. To be honest, I don't know why it has to be turned off. Hi Ron. The SR is designed to counteract vibration, as you know. BUT, without any vibration present the SR while trying to detect vibration can actually set up its own. As it is trying to stop its own vibration and can't, it can set off a feedback loop on itself and actually damage the SR. Here is an old thread that covers it pretty well. Some of the posters in that thread are in this one as well. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/58-troubleshooting-beginner-help/246727-w...ke-tripod.html EDIT - " potentially " damage instead of " actually " damage intended. Apologies for any confusion caused. Last edited by Unregistered User 8; 12-22-2016 at 03:48 AM. Reason: Add text

12-21-2016, 11:47 PM	#23
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by pjv The SR is designed to counteract vibration, as you know. BUT, without any vibration present the SR while trying to detect vibration can actually set up its own. As it is trying to stop its own vibration and can't, it can set off a feedback loop on itself and actually damage the SR. I doubt that it works like that. Can you cite a ref? The K-01 manual page 100, for example , seems to explain it. Regards,

12-21-2016, 11:55 PM	#24
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799 Original Poster	Originally posted by pjv Hi Ron. The SR is designed to counteract vibration, as you know. BUT, without any vibration present the SR while trying to detect vibration can actually set up its own. As it is trying to stop its own vibration and can't, it can set off a feedback loop on itself and actually damage the SR. Here is an old thread that covers it pretty well. Some of the posters in that thread are in this one as well. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/58-troubleshooting-beginner-help/246727-w...ke-tripod.html That doesn't sound right. Has anyone ever actually broken their SR by doing that?

12-21-2016, 11:58 PM	#25
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Originally posted by wombat2go I doubt that it works like that. Can you cite a ref? The K-01 manual page 100, for example , seems to explain it. Regards, A short ' captain google " search found this. As there will always be photographers who dispute all manner of theories, SR is specifically designed for hand holding the camera. Cheers. How to Make Sure You are Using Image Stabilization Correctly

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12-22-2016, 12:41 AM	#26
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by pjv As there will always be photographers who dispute all manner of theories, SR is specifically designed for hand holding the camera. Cheers. I recommend you read your Pentax Camera Manual before pontificating on here.

12-22-2016, 01:27 AM	#27
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Originally posted by pjv A short ' captain google " search found this. As there will always be photographers who dispute all manner of theories, SR is specifically designed for hand holding the camera. Cheers. How to Make Sure You are Using Image Stabilization Correctly Originally posted by wombat2go I recommend you read your Pentax Camera Manual before pontificating on here. Apologies if you thought this was an attack wombat2go, as this was not my intention. Camera manuals state the SR should be turned off when using a tripod, yet many know this and still leave it on. That is what I meant by " disputing " theories. I was not being purposely disrespectful.

12-22-2016, 03:20 AM	#28
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Originally posted by lithedreamer That doesn't sound right. Has anyone ever actually broken their SR by doing that? What I should have written, but did not in my haste was, has the " potential " to damage the SR. The feedback loop is a real occurrence as a consequence of the sensor setting up its own movement in trying to compensate for perceived movement. That is why some complain about blurry images even though they used a tripod - the camera was still set with SR ON. If you read the old thread and the other link I have provided, it is recommended that the SR be OFF when using a tripod. Apologies for any confusion that I have caused ( inadvertently ).

12-22-2016, 03:41 AM	#29
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	I typically would have the SR off when I'm on a tripod, as I am using the self timer or a wireless remote to trigger the image. If I didn't use those and was more using the tripod the way you would use a monopod, then I probably wouldn't hesitate to use SR. SR is there to counteract shake. If you are rock steady, then it can actually make images worse, but if you are shaking some then it should help.

12-22-2016, 04:23 AM	#30
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	In terms of set up, I prefer my heavy old metal Gitzo and Arca Swiss Monoball when using the the K-1 with the 70-200, but my mid range aluminium Manfrotto (055 XPRO series) + XPRO ball head can certainly handle the combo with a little more care -as others have said, I mostly use the 2-sec timer, so no SR, but the differnce between really sharp and not really sharp with a lens of that quality makes me reluctant to take any chances with non-recommended procedures