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02-03-2017, 08:30 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by gm4life Quote
OK well I was in your shoes a few months ago... Yes, I could have bought a K1 if I wanted to and DFA 24-70, DFA 70-200 and DFA 15-30 again IF I wanted to. Instead I spent about the same money and will have after the KP is out a KP and K3II with battery grips for both so very nice crop bodies and 8 lenses for about the same money. I am NOT a professional but I waited several years after shooting with an MX1 and QS1 both awesome 1/1.7 small senor cameras mind you before graduating to the big boy toys.

It all comes down to how you want to use your gear. If money is tight the K70 is a really good camera, actually is a real deal with the 18-135 an awesome walk around lens. The focusing sure isn't a million points like the Nikons or even 27 like the K3II or upcoming KP but in my opinion a ton of focusing points isn't the be all, end all. In fact in this day and age and for the money at least in America I would NOT advise the KS2 the jump to the K70 is so little in price for a much better body. So my take if money is tight K70 all the way. If you can get a good bundle with a 18-135 you won't regret it either.

However if you want something a step or two up a K3II or upcoming KP might be worth it to you however YMMV. I mean is the 1,100 USD KP worth nearly double the K70? Well the depends, or is the K3II about an extra 50 percent the value of a K70? Only you can make that call. I would put it like this if you want the best dollar for dollar semi professional / prosumer crop APS-C DSLR for the money the K3II for 850 or 900 USD is the steal of a century. If you look at the spec sheet, quality of construction, pixel shift, GPS, dual SD card slots this is a compelling camera. It "only" goes to ISO 51,200 and is the same basic design as the K3 from 2013 but who cares? I sure didn't when I purchased mine. It shoots good at ISO 1,600 and 3,200 is pretty usable as well, much more than like 6,400 which can be used too but any higher like 12,800 is pushing it. Still for the money and quality and 27 point auto focus it can't be beat. One of the best values in higher end APS-C DSLRs today.

The KP represents another option, it is likely slightly over priced at launch... I have a pre-order and I admit it. It will have even better ISO range arguably better auto focus performance than the K3II due to algorithm changes/programming but a single SD card slot, no top LCD screen and no GPS. It does however bring back a small, very small actually on board pop up flash. It has good build quality as well and arguably better if not more retro looks than the K3II, can't wait to mount the Limiteds on mine! But in the end is more costly and still in a few ways not even as good as the K3II but is slightly smaller. I am willing to pay more for a second body and a cool retro more prosumer KP as a compliment to my K3II as a second body. Would I buy that as my first digital body? Not me personally but it all depends upon what you are after also the KP does have the flippy back screen too!

In the end it comes down to what do what to spend and how do you want to use it. As you can see you can't go wrong with any Pentax crop DSLR including the KS2 but for a little more you can have K70 which gives you a lot more camera. Or if budget allows the K3II is an absolute steal I imagine Pentax will be asking 1,400 USD or so for its replacement so at like 850-900 USD with a battery grip in America it is a good deal. That leaves the new and largely unknown KP if you like the look and high ISO potential it isn't a bad bet either. I have a feeling I will use it in different situations than I do my K3II.

Sorry to ramble so you can't go wrong whatever you do. Best of luck shopping, hopefully this was helpful.
Thanks gm4life.

That's helpful info.

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QuoteOriginally posted by C_Jones Quote
I have a K-3II. I have used it to shoot birds in flight, other wildlife activity, and college soccer. It has done very well. The AF is formidable and the detail/color in the images is excellent. It has an lcd screen on the top right of the camera that displays settings (ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed, and +/-EV). The KP and K-70 do not. The build and features of the K-3II are the most advanced of the Pentax aps-c camera bodies, and it is weather sealed.
Thanks C-jones.

I'm shooting local soccer games as well. The weather seal is also important, more than once I have been out following a game and then realise that it's been raining and I'm soaked.

---------- Post added 02-03-17 at 08:36 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by gm4life Quote
I almost forgot buy what you like too, you don't necessarily need to feel pressured one way or another because a bunch of Pentax forum users say something. It is going to be your camera, just like the Ford vs Chevrolet vs Dodge argument in America. Or even more specific to General Motors trucks and full size SUV's the 5.3L vs 6.2L V8 debate. Don't mean to get side tracked but your own personal perfence must be taken into consideration.
Ha ha .... I'm definitely a 6.2l V8 guy ...

---------- Post added 02-03-17 at 08:37 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by caliscouser Quote
For primarily sports, in my mind it's an easy decision: K3 (if you want on-board flash), otherwise K3-ii.
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---------- Post added 02-03-17 at 08:42 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
The K-3 is the oldest Pentax body to include subject tracking with the exposure metering module, SalT, so it represents excellent value.

A variation is on the FF K-1:
Nice shot ... I think we're starting to get a clear winner. It seems the K-3 / K-3 ii is the way to go.

---------- Post added 02-03-17 at 08:47 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by NoCo Pentaxian Quote
I own both a K-70 and K-3 -- and I shoot sports occasionally for my local publication. The burst rate on the K-3 would seem to make it an obvious choice -- except if you are looking for immediate distribution, the onboard Wi-Fi on the K-70 allows for immediate sharing to social media in a way that my Flu card just can't match. If immediate distribution is your priority, the K-70 will work -- but the burst on the K-3 gives me better choices for print.

BTW: The ME Super is what I learned on in journalism school, and its lenses (now long gone) were the reason I started with an *ist.
Love the ME-Super ... while all my brand whore friends were buying AE1's my ME-Super regularly took far better shots. Especially, when shooting Formula 1.

I used the ME-Super for many years, even after I bought the P30. It was only the arrival of kids where the happy snapper was just more convenient and film processing was becoming a hassle that retired my SLR days.

---------- Post added 02-03-17 at 08:54 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by surfar Quote
Have you considered mirrorless?







For social media and webpages you wont need a high megapixel image,so a ML cam that shoots 4K still and video(Panasonic) will do the job.Speciifically a GX85 or G85(weather sealed).....8mp images are enough for online....the advantages are lightweight and compact and plenty of choices in lenses.( may need an extra battery)


While its halftime you can get lots of images online...game over, the scores there 5-10 mins after completion and all the action accompanies a brief game report.


Checkout John Flores football action, shot at night.I think theres a few shots in NON Pentax section...Micro Four Thirds Club....Johns on Flikr and his websites down there too.
Yes, I have considered Mirrorless.

I know so little about them though and it seems to get the comparable features that I am looking at a lot more money. Regardless, the point of this is to understand the options that are available. So I'm eager to be enlightened.

Your point about the responsiveness of the having the shots online sooner, is a good one. I normally take some shots with the TG-3 which has wifi for that purpose.

The Panasonic 85x, hey? I have been reluctant to look outside of the traditional camera brands so far. I will take a look.

Thanks.

---------- Post added 02-03-17 at 09:16 PM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by clickclick Quote
I went from a ME Super to the K3II. Love the K3II. I debated on a straight K3 (it was last April), and I'm really happy I went for the K3II. Why? The built in GPS and astrotracer open up doors to me that are neat/fun to have that I would not have shelled out extra bucks for as an attachment, but I have found I like having, and I was going to end up with an external flash regardless. After messing around with my daughter's K70 (which is a great camera!), I really don't miss a built in flash, at all. I know some like it, and it's discrete, but it's still a built in flash.... I love the 8.3 FPS. I shoot a lot of bird pics and way too many of my dog playing in the yard. I find for action running towards/away me (think dog), I prefocus on the spot I want to grab her. Panning side to side chasing birds, the AF seems to work pretty well. For the birds, I'm using the D FA 150-450. For the dog, it's apt to be the DA* 16-50 or my daughter's DA 16-85. All of them seem to do pretty well. I end up using the center spot focus the most. I will say it may be me and my lack of figuring out how best to use the other focus modes, but I seem to do a better job of locking onto what I want in focus with just a single spot in the center I can put directly on my subject. When I try to go with multispot focus, I feel like I loose control on what part of the scene might get grabbed and locked on to. Again, maybe this is me being a dumb user, but what I'm getting to is a whole slew of focus points doesn't seem to improve my results, so I'd suggest maybe not getting sucked down the rabbit hole of thinking you must have a ton of points for good AF. I love the 8.3 FPS - I feel I've gotten shots because of the high capture rate. I shoot everything as RAW+ and JPEG. I've never had any buffer issues, and I've watched the light flashing quite a bit after shooting a series of shots as it writes the buffer to the SD card. It makes me grateful for such a nice large buffer - I've never had to worry about overflowing it. So, I don't think you could go too far wrong with the K3II, and when it comes to equipment of this nature, I've always recommended going for new and getting full warranty etc., and perhaps you can even get an extended Pentax warranty for a nominal increase if it's a concern. And yes, I still do use some of my old lenses, so I have had no regrets staying with Pentax instead of switching brands. In fact, really think Pentax is making some great cameras at great prices. Highly recommend/would buy again
Thanks CC, I think that's where my head is at the moment. A new K3-ii, mainly for the warranty and knowing that if anything goes wrong that there's recourse and that it's the later model. I have always used a hotshoe flash.

Are you using any of your manual lenses with the K3-ii? What's the experience like?

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Thanks CC, I think that's where my head is at the moment. A new K3-ii, mainly for the warranty and knowing that if anything goes wrong that there's recourse and that it's the later model. I have always used a hotshoe flash.

Are you using any of your manual lenses with the K3-ii? What's the experience like?

I am playing around with a variety of K and M42 primes and loving it. I am also using an Auto Bellows set that's M42. It's easy and rewarding with the "green" button. In case you're not familiar with it, you can put the camera in manual mode, set the aperture, and press the "green" button, and it will set the shutter speed, and the green button is located so you can nail it with your thumb without looking and keep your eye on the view finder. It makes using the older lenses easy. Of course, on the M42 lenses, you must manually stop them down, but on any of the K mounts, it will stop down the aperture for you. If you have an A series lens, you should be able to use it in AV mode and the lens set to A if you want to go aperture priority and feel like your shooting a modern ME Super The only reason I'm not using my old zooms is I've bought modern ones, which have all been great lenses too.
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Thanks clickclick.

I expect to get modern automatic lenses anyway, but I thought I could "fill the gaps" in the meantime. Rather than having to go out and replace 3 manual lens' in one fit.
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I have to say the K3 or K3ii right now would be the way to go. Used K3's are going for really good prices. The KP is definitely an interesting option but there are a few drawbacks. Only one SD card slot and a slower buffer rate. Not the ideal sports camera to me. I would avoid the K70 for sports if you ever plan on getting a grip. The K70 does not have a grip. I could not imagine shooting without a grip using a long telephoto but that is just me. The K3 has been replaced by the K3ii and the K3ii will most likely be replaced by something else later this year. The K3 is still a very capable camera and can hold its own against any other crop sensor camera thrown at it. Both the K3 and K3ii are rated for over 100,000 shutter clicks so they have long lives even when bought used.

When I made the jump to digital it was to the K10D after over 20 years with trusty Super Program. Those old film cameras are indestructible. Both my K1000 and Super Program are still going.

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Thanks gm4life.

That's helpful info.

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Thanks C-jones.

I'm shooting local soccer games as well. The weather seal is also important, more than once I have been out following a game and then realise that it's been raining and I'm soaked.

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Ha ha .... I'm definitely a 6.2l V8 guy ...

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Thanks

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Nice shot ... I think we're starting to get a clear winner. It seems the K-3 / K-3 ii is the way to go.

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Love the ME-Super ... while all my brand whore friends were buying AE1's my ME-Super regularly took far better shots. Especially, when shooting Formula 1.

I used the ME-Super for many years, even after I bought the P30. It was only the arrival of kids where the happy snapper was just more convenient and film processing was becoming a hassle that retired my SLR days.

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Yes, I have considered Mirrorless.

I know so little about them though and it seems to get the comparable features that I am looking at a lot more money. Regardless, the point of this is to understand the options that are available. So I'm eager to be enlightened.

Your point about the responsiveness of the having the shots online sooner, is a good one. I normally take some shots with the TG-3 which has wifi for that purpose.

The Panasonic 85x, hey? I have been reluctant to look outside of the traditional camera brands so far. I will take a look.

Thanks.

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Thanks CC, I think that's where my head is at the moment. A new K3-ii, mainly for the warranty and knowing that if anything goes wrong that there's recourse and that it's the later model. I have always used a hotshoe flash.

Are you using any of your manual lenses with the K3-ii? What's the experience like?
No problem glad it helped. Regarding my silly 6.2 vs 5.3 comment, the family SUV has the 5.3 so I guess I am on 5.3 budget with 6.2 dreams.

Relates well to cameras actually and what do you need vs want. I think after looking at your list a K3 or K3II would be ideal. In America you can get killer deals on a bundle with a battery grip, that is how I got mine. My dad even has since picked one up too. Time to graduate from the K10D and K100D to a K3II!
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