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12-29-2017, 09:12 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
he K-3 with a 55-300mm PLM would be a killer "set it and forget it" combo, if its within budget.
+ a rogue safari flash extender?

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Low light wildlife photography is a very challenging way to start photography. Wildlife and low light, individually, have learning curves, so starting with both might not be a good idea. It depends on the 11 year old. Maybe encourage starting with animals that are active during brighter daylight.

Does the 11 year old have the patience and perseverance to stick with it? Is the parent okay with the risk of buying gear, getting used a few times, then never picked up again? If both answers are a "yes", the Pentax K-70 (good at low light, not too expensive) the the 55-300 PLM (fast focusing) are a good combination if it fits within budget.
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The newer model Pentax 55-300 (quiet AF) and a K-5IIS or K-3 series (K-3 or K-3II) for a "purchase lightly used" possibility. Otherwise, the K-70 if the user can go without the top lcd (for viewing settings) that the K-5IIS or K-3 series cameras have. It depends on the budget factor also. The 300 of the lens will give him telephoto, not super telephoto, but the user being a child, too much weight would not be accommodating as was mentioned earlier. Please note that quiet AF is really nice to have when shooting wildlife. Wildlife/bird shooting is viable with Pentax equipment.

A flash may come in handy if the user is planning on really dim situations when the camera alone is not enough. I would recommend a Yongnuo "YN585EX" if the user needs a flash. I have three Pentax flashes, and one of those was a recent addition to my collection.

Good luck to you and the boy next door.

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well my first true experience with attempting to photograph wildlife was with a K 5 II and an experienced Tamron 70 - 300mm F/4-5.6 LD Tel-Macro [1:2] zoom

Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 LD Tele-Macro [1:2] (Model 772D)

https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-af-70-300mm-f-4-5-6-ld-tele-...odel-772d.html

It served me well on our first trip to Tanzania


if you can find the lens, it should help with the budget

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There's some really useful info here. Very many thanks. The lad is a very keen naturalist, I don't have the time to list his animal/insect collections ;-), - he seems to be a sticker.

I quite fancy spending some time from my usual landscaping to snap some badgers myself, so I can see this developing. If he goes Pentax, I've a mass of gear that I can share with him, which could be fun. This may influence him.

The new 55-300 with a used K-3, is probably what I'll suggest, but the budget is being considered as I write this. I've flash, cables and remotes, etc - no IR (yet). I can see where this might lead ... When I know more about budget, I'll add details here.

If the lad decides to go Canikon, I'll try not to hold it against him ;-)

It would be nice to keep this thread going, as there is probably some general wildlife info being extracted.
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If budget is a concern, my first suggestion would be a used Pentax DSLR with a used Sigma x-500mm zoom (these come in various flavours, therefore the x).

My second suggestion would be a used Four Thirds body, a couple of used manual focus primes and a suitable lens mount adapter. The two times crop factor would be a real help here and any prime from 200mm and up would have serious reach. By way of example, I picked up a Tamron 300mm f/5.6 in M42 for just over $10 just the other day. Manual focus and aperture would help the lad learn the basics.

If budget is not a factor, get a KP and an FA 150-450mm F4.5-5.6 ED DC AW
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QuoteOriginally posted by BarryE Quote
There's some really useful info here. Very many thanks. The lad is a very keen naturalist, I don't have the time to list his animal/insect collections ;-), - he seems to be a sticker.

I quite fancy spending some time from my usual landscaping to snap some badgers myself, so I can see this developing. If he goes Pentax, I've a mass of gear that I can share with him, which could be fun. This may influence him.

The new 55-300 with a used K-3, is probably what I'll suggest, but the budget is being considered as I write this. I've flash, cables and remotes, etc - no IR (yet). I can see where this might lead ... When I know more about budget, I'll add details here.

If the lad decides to go Canikon, I'll try not to hold it against him ;-)

It would be nice to keep this thread going, as there is probably some general wildlife info being extracted.
don't forget the market place ( buy/sell ) here at the forum when looking for equipment

you may find something from your area or Europe which might be helpful once you have determined what he wants

speaking of what he wants

if his parents are willing, have him check out the various reviews of cameras and lenses available here at the forum and then discuss his choices and options.

has anyone mentioned monopods/tripods?
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The normal first question to ask is... will the wildlife eat me?

I think with Badgers you'd be fairly safe.

But they are timid beasties, so perhaps long lenses will be required, also they operate at night time which is not ideal for imagery.

This is fairly specialised photography and will require some specialised kit to get good results. Not an ideal for any eleven year old start up package, perhaps a gentle nudge into a more accessible wildlife would be a good way to go.

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The normal first question to ask is... will the wildlife eat me?


This is fairly specialised photography and will require some specialised kit to get good results. Not an ideal for any eleven year old start up package, perhaps a gentle nudge into a more accessible wildlife would be a good way to go.
Dangerous wildlife in Scotland ! Maybe if they re-wild, until then it's humans that are probably the biggest risk - one reason I choose to photograph in the early mornings in some locations ;-)

I probably won't nudge him away from his badger foray, as I'm tempted to join him ...
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There's some really useful info here. Very many thanks. The lad is a very keen naturalist, I don't have the time to list his animal/insect collections ;-), - he seems to be a sticker.
Oooh, insects. It's possible to get fantastic results relatively inexpensively. Any pentax DSLR body + used F/FA/DFA100mm macro, a tripod, and a few reflectors/diffusers can get you going for slow moving things (e.g moths & their larva, which seem quite popular in the UK). An off camera flash (or suitably diffused built-in flash) can add versatility. It can be a pretty technical pursuit, but I realized early on that high quality macro lenses are generally much less expensive than high quality telephoto lenses, and that the insect lover has many subjects that can't flee faster than even the slowest photographer can walk.
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Oooh, insects. It's possible to get fantastic results relatively inexpensively. Any pentax DSLR body + used F/FA/DFA100mm macro, a tripod, and a few reflectors/diffusers can get you going for slow moving things (e.g moths & their larva, which seem quite popular in the UK). An off camera flash (or suitably diffused built-in flash) can add versatility. It can be a pretty technical pursuit, but I realized early on that high quality macro lenses are generally much less expensive than high quality telephoto lenses, and that the insect lover has many subjects that can't flee faster than even the slowest photographer can walk.
i can recommend the D FA 100mm F2.8 macro

I have the non WR version

SMC Pentax-D FA 100mm F2.8 Macro Reviews - D FA Prime Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

it works well for macro or just a short telephoto lens
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I couldn't go back to a K-5 from a K-3 or later for this type of work. K-5 AF is clunky by comparison. People say the K-5 is better for low light but that also needs to be qualified. Reduce the K-3 to K-5 image size and they are pretty much the same. Reducing the size helps clean up the extra noise.

The K-70 and K-P are the low light options. Shooting the same frame and same equivalent ƒ5.6 APS_c and ƒ8 FF you have pretty much the same low light performance as the full frame, with one of those two. And at the same ƒ stop you have more depth of field with APS-c.

Shooting at night, I don't see how you could get away with a less than ƒ2.8 lens. For early morning light even ƒ4 can fail you. Well so can ƒ2.8, but over all there are times when ƒ2.8 is necessary.

So my personal minimum recommendation for the stated purpose would be K-70 and DA*200 2.8.

Choice 2 would be K-70 or K-P and DA 55-300 PLM.

Choice 3 would be K-50 and DA 55-300 one of the non-PLM versions would be the fall back.

There are several low light cameras from Sony, Canon and Nikon, which are expensive, compounded by the incredible expense of the ƒ2.8 glass you'd need to make them functional. But simply stated, low light functionality is extremely expensive on any system. Just to make it adequate without going hog wild is expensive. "Doing it right" costs a lot more.
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What about an iPhone with telescopic arm?

But seriously, I agree with normhead here. f2.8 lens seems a must. Yes they are expensive but dim light is what they are designed for.

I am going to recommend something a little odd ball for the sake of it. Assuming a K3ii is the body (for low light performance at a good price) I would recommend the Tokina 90mm f2.8 (aka bokina) with extender.

Why?

For the price of one really good lens you get two.

1) 90mm without the extender on a APS-C gives a FoV similar to a 140mm lens. Not 'long' but because it is the Bokina it will have high resolving power - suitable for cropping. The K3ii sensor will help here for cropping and ISO performance.
2) If the 140mm is to short after cropping then you could consider using a 1.4X teleconverter - say the Tamron-F
3) After you have had enough of Badgers and want to get serious with insects then I need say only one more thing. Get a ring flash.

And when it is all said and done, if the lens is 'no good' for the job - sell it (and get your money back - they are sought after)

Anyway, my vote is for an awesome manual lens.
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2 dozen posts in and everyone else resisted saying "Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers."

Good job.
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2 dozen posts in and everyone else resisted saying "Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers."

Good job.
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