K3ii wake up

Rob'O · 04-09-2020, 06:56 AM

Hello everyone. I'm not sure how to explain this but I am having an issue with my K3ii. I have been using a third party wired release though now also have an OEM release, though the issue occurs without it. The thing I have going on is that after a period of time I can't fully depress the shutter button or the wired release button without having to activate it a second time to take a shot. It's as it seem that the camera 'goes to sleep' and needs to be woken up. I have reset the menus, tried all wired remotes and body shutters, cleaned lens and, body contacts and tried various lenses ( I use Sigma and Pentax). It happens whether a lens is attached or not and regardless of the lens attached. I know it's a long shot but I thought I'd ask the brains trusts within the group. I will attach a video showing what I mean. The first body is the K3ii and the second is the K5. The K5 was OK though now seems to do the same thing. It's ok until the bodies go into standby mode. You can see the K3ii gets 'woken up' (top LCD lights up) then the second press takes the shot whereas the K5 the shot is taken without delay. I hope it makes sense. TIA

Attached Files

K5K3 shutter.avi (2.18 MB, 67 views)

bertwert · 04-09-2020, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Rob'O

It's as it seem that the camera 'goes to sleep' and needs to be woken up.

That's exactly it!

You should be able to find in the menu "Auto Power Off"*, then change that to a time you're happy with, or just completely off altogether.

*looks like the third page of the setup (spanner) section

Unregistered User · 04-09-2020, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Rob'O

Hello everyone. I'm not sure how to explain this but I am having an issue with my K3ii. I have been using a third party wired release though now also have an OEM release, though the issue occurs without it. The thing I have going on is that after a period of time I can't fully depress the shutter button or the wired release button without having to activate it a second time to take a shot. It's as it seem that the camera 'goes to sleep' and needs to be woken up. I have reset the menus, tried all wired remotes and body shutters, cleaned lens and, body contacts and tried various lenses ( I use Sigma and Pentax). It happens whether a lens is attached or not and regardless of the lens attached. I know it's a long shot but I thought I'd ask the brains trusts within the group. I will attach a video showing what I mean. The first body is the K3ii and the second is the K5. The K5 was OK though now seems to do the same thing. It's ok until the bodies go into standby mode. You can see the K3ii gets 'woken up' (top LCD lights up) then the second press takes the shot whereas the K5 the shot is taken without delay. I hope it makes sense. TIA

From the short AVI I notice that the camera is not asleep. Before you push the button I see an F number and I see the ISO on the top LCD. It is definitely on, only the backlight is off. You push the button and then the backlight of the LCD goes on. If the camera was asleep, you would only see an empty lcd monitor with just some lines. The camera is in stand-by that is why the top lcd backlight is switched off. If it is in standby and you push the exposure button, the lightmeter and AF turns on and on the camera you have to push the button further down to expose. It seems that your wired release does it in exactly the same way as the camera does. First it switches the lightmeter and AF on and then you push further or again to expose. And you'll notice it works exactly the same on both camera's. It is not a camera problem, the problem is that you pause taking pictures and the camera switches to standby. I think that auto switch off is set to a long time or off.

bertwert · 04-09-2020, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by bertwert

That's exactly it!

You should be able to find in the menu "Auto Power Off"*, then change that to a time you're happy with, or just completely off altogether.

*looks like the third page of the setup (spanner) section

Originally posted by AfterPentax

From the short AVI I notice that the camera is not asleep. Before you push the button I see an F number and I see the ISO on the top LCD. It is definitely on, only the backlight is off. You push the button and then the backlight of the LCD goes on. If the camera was asleep, you would only see an empty lcd monitor with just some lines. The camera is in stand-by that is why the top lcd backlight is switched off. If it is in standby and you push the exposure button, the lightmeter and AF turns on and on the camera you have to push the button further down to expose. It seems that your wired release does it in exactly the same way as the camera does. First it switches the lightmeter and AF on and then you push further or again to expose. And you'll notice it works exactly the same on both camera's. It is not a camera problem, the problem is that you pause taking pictures and the camera switches to standby. I think that auto switch off is set to a long time or off.

Oops, I didn't watch the video.

In that case, the Meter Operating Time (under the first page of the Custom (C) menus) may be a setting you're interested in changing...

stevebrot · 04-09-2020, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Rob'O

The thing I have going on is that after a period of time I can't fully depress the shutter button or the wired release button without having to activate it a second time to take a shot.

Well, that is strange. ~~What drive mode are you in? Would it be Mirror Lock-up by any chance?~~

Edit: Wrong question...I cannot reproduce this problem and give up. The camera is in standby mode and should wake up and release the shutter on full press. Just to clarify...this happens even when the remote is not plugged in?

Steve

Rob'O · 04-09-2020, 08:33 PM - **1 Like**

Thanks everyone. I have taken onboard the comments and advice and would like to report back. I have now increased the metering time to 30 sec, the auto power off is set to 30 min. Using the Pentax remote shutter I can achieve times of up to half minute delay from the previous exposure without issue, for now. However, with the non-gen third party remote is the opposite, it requires two full presses to take the shot, even after the LCD backlight turns out after about 5 sec. Think I will be sticking to the genuine remote.

Unregistered User 8 · 04-09-2020, 09:05 PM

Hi Rob, good to hear your issue might be sorted out. I have been watching with interest.

Originally posted by Rob'O

with the non-gen third party remote is the opposite, it requires two full presses to take the shot,

What we save in $ with many third party accessories, we often lose some functionality that the OEM gives as standard.

Originally posted by Rob'O

Think I will be sticking to the genuine remote.

Excellent choice.

stevebrot · 04-10-2020, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Rob'O

However, with the non-gen third party remote is the opposite, it requires two full presses to take the shot, even after the LCD backlight turns out after about 5 sec. Think I will be sticking to the genuine remote.

Good to see that you found the source of the problem. Lack of consistent half-press support is not a problem with my third-party remote, but I can see how it might be. FWIW, my Bower RCLC1R will even send a half-press for wakeup when used as an intervalometer. Yes, I am fond of it.

Steve

04-09-2020, 08:55 AM	#5
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Rob'O The thing I have going on is that after a period of time I can't fully depress the shutter button or the wired release button without having to activate it a second time to take a shot. Well, that is strange. ~~What drive mode are you in? Would it be Mirror Lock-up by any chance?~~ Edit: Wrong question...I cannot reproduce this problem and give up. The camera is in standby mode and should wake up and release the shutter on full press. Just to clarify...this happens even when the remote is not plugged in? Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 04-09-2020 at 09:26 AM.

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04-09-2020, 07:03 AM	#2
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by Rob'O It's as it seem that the camera 'goes to sleep' and needs to be woken up. That's exactly it! You should be able to find in the menu "Auto Power Off", then change that to a time you're happy with, or just completely off altogether. looks like the third page of the setup (spanner) section

04-09-2020, 08:17 AM	#3
Unregistered User Guest	Originally posted by Rob'O Hello everyone. I'm not sure how to explain this but I am having an issue with my K3ii. I have been using a third party wired release though now also have an OEM release, though the issue occurs without it. The thing I have going on is that after a period of time I can't fully depress the shutter button or the wired release button without having to activate it a second time to take a shot. It's as it seem that the camera 'goes to sleep' and needs to be woken up. I have reset the menus, tried all wired remotes and body shutters, cleaned lens and, body contacts and tried various lenses ( I use Sigma and Pentax). It happens whether a lens is attached or not and regardless of the lens attached. I know it's a long shot but I thought I'd ask the brains trusts within the group. I will attach a video showing what I mean. The first body is the K3ii and the second is the K5. The K5 was OK though now seems to do the same thing. It's ok until the bodies go into standby mode. You can see the K3ii gets 'woken up' (top LCD lights up) then the second press takes the shot whereas the K5 the shot is taken without delay. I hope it makes sense. TIA From the short AVI I notice that the camera is not asleep. Before you push the button I see an F number and I see the ISO on the top LCD. It is definitely on, only the backlight is off. You push the button and then the backlight of the LCD goes on. If the camera was asleep, you would only see an empty lcd monitor with just some lines. The camera is in stand-by that is why the top lcd backlight is switched off. If it is in standby and you push the exposure button, the lightmeter and AF turns on and on the camera you have to push the button further down to expose. It seems that your wired release does it in exactly the same way as the camera does. First it switches the lightmeter and AF on and then you push further or again to expose. And you'll notice it works exactly the same on both camera's. It is not a camera problem, the problem is that you pause taking pictures and the camera switches to standby. I think that auto switch off is set to a long time or off.

04-09-2020, 08:29 AM	#4
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by bertwert That's exactly it! You should be able to find in the menu "Auto Power Off", then change that to a time you're happy with, or just completely off altogether. looks like the third page of the setup (spanner) section Originally posted by AfterPentax From the short AVI I notice that the camera is not asleep. Before you push the button I see an F number and I see the ISO on the top LCD. It is definitely on, only the backlight is off. You push the button and then the backlight of the LCD goes on. If the camera was asleep, you would only see an empty lcd monitor with just some lines. The camera is in stand-by that is why the top lcd backlight is switched off. If it is in standby and you push the exposure button, the lightmeter and AF turns on and on the camera you have to push the button further down to expose. It seems that your wired release does it in exactly the same way as the camera does. First it switches the lightmeter and AF on and then you push further or again to expose. And you'll notice it works exactly the same on both camera's. It is not a camera problem, the problem is that you pause taking pictures and the camera switches to standby. I think that auto switch off is set to a long time or off. Oops, I didn't watch the video. In that case, the Meter Operating Time (under the first page of the Custom (C) menus) may be a setting you're interested in changing...

04-09-2020, 08:33 PM - 1 Like	#6
Rob'O New Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 8 Original Poster	Thanks everyone. I have taken onboard the comments and advice and would like to report back. I have now increased the metering time to 30 sec, the auto power off is set to 30 min. Using the Pentax remote shutter I can achieve times of up to half minute delay from the previous exposure without issue, for now. However, with the non-gen third party remote is the opposite, it requires two full presses to take the shot, even after the LCD backlight turns out after about 5 sec. Think I will be sticking to the genuine remote.

04-09-2020, 09:05 PM	#7
Unregistered User 8 Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,694	Hi Rob, good to hear your issue might be sorted out. I have been watching with interest. Originally posted by Rob'O with the non-gen third party remote is the opposite, it requires two full presses to take the shot, What we save in $ with many third party accessories, we often lose some functionality that the OEM gives as standard. Originally posted by Rob'O Think I will be sticking to the genuine remote. Excellent choice.

04-10-2020, 11:12 AM	#8
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Rob'O However, with the non-gen third party remote is the opposite, it requires two full presses to take the shot, even after the LCD backlight turns out after about 5 sec. Think I will be sticking to the genuine remote. Good to see that you found the source of the problem. Lack of consistent half-press support is not a problem with my third-party remote, but I can see how it might be. FWIW, my Bower RCLC1R will even send a half-press for wakeup when used as an intervalometer. Yes, I am fond of it. Steve