Large debris showing up in all photographs.

**UncleVanya** · 07-09-2020, 10:50 AM - **1 Like**

Looks like part of the shutter mechanism. Newer Pentax bodies support wifi btw.

stevebrot · 07-09-2020, 01:47 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by lmiller2112

OOOOoooookay I know what must have happened. Careful because I'm about to get really technical with the language used. One of these little floppies here must have broken off and is just in the way of every shot. Tried to get it out/off myself because it's messed up either way, but I think it's just time to finally upgrade to a Canon that can work with my iPad. Bye 200-whatever-you-were, hello streamlined technology! Thanks for all the support though I appreciate it!

Dang! That is part of the trailing (rear) shutter curtain. IIRC, the K-r is only rated to 50,000 actuations, but that is still unexpected.* Good luck with your Canon and avoid the Rebel models.

Steve

* Actually, that is the first I have seen such a thing on vertical metal shutter in the 50 years I have been shooting that class of shutter.

swanlefitte · 07-09-2020, 02:11 PM - **1 Like**

You might try fixing or selling it. A shutter module is about $15 on ebay from a salvager.

lmiller2112 · 07-09-2020, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

Looks like part of the shutter mechanism. Newer Pentax bodies support wifi btw.

How is the ISO on those newer models in low light in your opinion/experience? That's what turned me onto the K-X and K-R initially, but I was still getting a low definition with my K-R.

SSGGeezer · 07-09-2020, 04:49 PM - **1 Like**

The KP has amazing low light, high ISO performance and the K-70 is about as good based on everything I have read here. Even a KS-2 will give you a lot better performance in low light than the K-r. Look at the comparison tool here on the site, but the KP is probably what you want as it is better in every way than the K-r.

If you have to spend money on a new body, why not get something leaps and bounds better that uses your existing glass?

**UncleVanya** · 07-09-2020, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by lmiller2112

How is the ISO on those newer models in low light in your opinion/experience? That's what turned me onto the K-X and K-R initially, but I was still getting a low definition with my K-R.

Fantastic by all accounts.

uttam.hathi · 07-09-2020, 11:10 PM

if you have a lot of quality lens then its hotel california, its one way, if u can afford check out sony.

kypfer · 07-10-2020, 12:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by lmiller2112

How is the ISO on those newer models in low light in your opinion/experience? That's what turned me onto the K-X and K-R initially, but I was still getting a low definition with my K-R.

"Low light performance" is one of those factors that is in the eye of the beholder

For me, the "noise" in out-of-focus dark backgrounds can start to be noticeable, but not intrusive, at ISO 25600 when cropped 100%. The question here is : 'How often would you crop a 24megapixel image this hard?'

On the very odd occasion I've wanted/needed to use 819200 (or 102400 on the K-70) I've been grateful for the opportunity to make a record shot at a reasonable shutter speed. All the image stabilisation in the world won't help if the subject is moving about! At these light levels it's getting difficult to see the subject with the naked eye anyway, yet the camera will still focus!

leekil · 07-10-2020, 01:13 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kypfer

"Low light performance" is one of those factors that is in the eye of the beholder

For me, the "noise" in out-of-focus dark backgrounds can start to be noticeable, but not intrusive, at ISO 25600 when cropped 100%. The question here is : 'How often would you crop a 24megapixel image this hard?'

On the very odd occasion I've wanted/needed to use 819200 (or 102400 on the K-70) I've been grateful for the opportunity to make a record shot at a reasonable shutter speed. All the image stabilisation in the world won't help if the subject is moving about! At these light levels it's getting difficult to see the subject with the naked eye anyway, yet the camera will still focus!

What does "cropped 100%" mean?

I personally don't go over 6400 unless I want to do black & white and get a grain effect.

kypfer · 07-10-2020, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by leekil

What does "cropped 100%" mean?

Where the image is viewed at it's native resolution.
For example, if your computer screen is 1280x1024, taking a 1280x1024 selection from a much larger image and viewing this crop full-screen would be a "100% crop". It's at this point that no resizing artefacts have been introduced to the image by software so can be considered "as good as it's going to get". Not necessarily a goal to aim for, but a useful reference point, especially if making a series of test exposures at different ISO ratings of the same subject.

Sandy Hancock · 07-10-2020, 03:54 PM - **1 Like**

The K-r is a ten year old camera. Things can eventually go wrong with complex machines; I wouldn't say that was a reason to give up on Pentax.

A new KP will give you class leading high ISO performance and dynamic range. And you won't need to buy new lenses

Racer X 69 · 07-10-2020, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by lmiller2112

OOOOoooookay I know what must have happened. Careful because I'm about to get really technical with the language used. One of these little floppies here must have broken off and is just in the way of every shot. Tried to get it out/off myself because it's messed up either way, but I think it's just time to finally upgrade to a Canon that can work with my iPad. Bye 200-whatever-you-were, hello streamlined technology! Thanks for all the support though I appreciate it!

There is a used K-R in the Marketplace for $90.

How much does the Canon system cost for a body, and lenses (or would you adapt your awesome Pentax lenses)?

Or, as others have said, upgrade. You could probably upgrade to a newer Pentax camera, a low shutter count K-3 or K3II used would still be less than a Canon.

The K-3/K-3II is a great camera.

stevebrot · 07-10-2020, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by leekil

What does "cropped 100%" mean?

The same as "full resolution" (1:1 match of image pixel to display pixel).

Steve

leekil · 07-12-2020, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

The same as "full resolution" (1:1 match of image pixel to display pixel).

If he'd said 100% crop, I would have gotten his meaning.

"Cropped 100%" seemed a bit weird and I didn't get it.

Philoslothical · 07-20-2020, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Dang! That is part of the trailing (rear) shutter curtain. IIRC, the K-r is only rated to 50,000 actuations,

It's actually rated for 100k. I was lucky with mine, in that it made it to 116k. That shutter is done, though. No doubt about that.

Originally posted by lmiller2112

When I kind of shake it around the shape moves around visibly through the Live View.

I think this was the strongest clue.

07-09-2020, 01:47 PM - 2 Likes	#32
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by lmiller2112 OOOOoooookay I know what must have happened. Careful because I'm about to get really technical with the language used. One of these little floppies here must have broken off and is just in the way of every shot. Tried to get it out/off myself because it's messed up either way, but I think it's just time to finally upgrade to a Canon that can work with my iPad. Bye 200-whatever-you-were, hello streamlined technology! Thanks for all the support though I appreciate it! Dang! That is part of the trailing (rear) shutter curtain. IIRC, the K-r is only rated to 50,000 actuations, but that is still unexpected.* Good luck with your Canon and avoid the Rebel models. Steve * Actually, that is the first I have seen such a thing on vertical metal shutter in the 50 years I have been shooting that class of shutter. Last edited by Not a Number; 07-10-2020 at 03:08 PM. Reason: masked expletive in quote edited

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07-09-2020, 10:50 AM - 1 Like	#31
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,400	Looks like part of the shutter mechanism. Newer Pentax bodies support wifi btw.

07-09-2020, 02:11 PM - 1 Like	#33
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	You might try fixing or selling it. A shutter module is about $15 on ebay from a salvager.

07-09-2020, 04:06 PM	#34
lmiller2112 New Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 6 Original Poster	Originally posted by UncleVanya Looks like part of the shutter mechanism. Newer Pentax bodies support wifi btw. How is the ISO on those newer models in low light in your opinion/experience? That's what turned me onto the K-X and K-R initially, but I was still getting a low definition with my K-R.

07-09-2020, 04:49 PM - 1 Like	#35
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	The KP has amazing low light, high ISO performance and the K-70 is about as good based on everything I have read here. Even a KS-2 will give you a lot better performance in low light than the K-r. Look at the comparison tool here on the site, but the KP is probably what you want as it is better in every way than the K-r. If you have to spend money on a new body, why not get something leaps and bounds better that uses your existing glass?

07-09-2020, 08:09 PM	#36
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,400	Originally posted by lmiller2112 How is the ISO on those newer models in low light in your opinion/experience? That's what turned me onto the K-X and K-R initially, but I was still getting a low definition with my K-R. Fantastic by all accounts.

07-09-2020, 11:10 PM	#37
uttam.hathi Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 621	if you have a lot of quality lens then its hotel california, its one way, if u can afford check out sony.

07-10-2020, 12:10 AM - 1 Like	#38
kypfer Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Jersey C.I. Posts: 3,592	Originally posted by lmiller2112 How is the ISO on those newer models in low light in your opinion/experience? That's what turned me onto the K-X and K-R initially, but I was still getting a low definition with my K-R. "Low light performance" is one of those factors that is in the eye of the beholder For me, the "noise" in out-of-focus dark backgrounds can start to be noticeable, but not intrusive, at ISO 25600 when cropped 100%. The question here is : 'How often would you crop a 24megapixel image this hard?' On the very odd occasion I've wanted/needed to use 819200 (or 102400 on the K-70) I've been grateful for the opportunity to make a record shot at a reasonable shutter speed. All the image stabilisation in the world won't help if the subject is moving about! At these light levels it's getting difficult to see the subject with the naked eye anyway, yet the camera will still focus!

07-10-2020, 01:13 PM - 1 Like	#39
leekil Pentaxian Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,003	Originally posted by kypfer "Low light performance" is one of those factors that is in the eye of the beholder For me, the "noise" in out-of-focus dark backgrounds can start to be noticeable, but not intrusive, at ISO 25600 when cropped 100%. The question here is : 'How often would you crop a 24megapixel image this hard?' On the very odd occasion I've wanted/needed to use 819200 (or 102400 on the K-70) I've been grateful for the opportunity to make a record shot at a reasonable shutter speed. All the image stabilisation in the world won't help if the subject is moving about! At these light levels it's getting difficult to see the subject with the naked eye anyway, yet the camera will still focus! What does "cropped 100%" mean? I personally don't go over 6400 unless I want to do black & white and get a grain effect.

07-10-2020, 03:06 PM	#40
kypfer Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Jersey C.I. Posts: 3,592	Originally posted by leekil What does "cropped 100%" mean? Where the image is viewed at it's native resolution. For example, if your computer screen is 1280x1024, taking a 1280x1024 selection from a much larger image and viewing this crop full-screen would be a "100% crop". It's at this point that no resizing artefacts have been introduced to the image by software so can be considered "as good as it's going to get". Not necessarily a goal to aim for, but a useful reference point, especially if making a series of test exposures at different ISO ratings of the same subject.

07-10-2020, 03:54 PM - 1 Like	#41
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	The K-r is a ten year old camera. Things can eventually go wrong with complex machines; I wouldn't say that was a reason to give up on Pentax. A new KP will give you class leading high ISO performance and dynamic range. And you won't need to buy new lenses

07-10-2020, 05:01 PM	#42
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,065	Originally posted by lmiller2112 OOOOoooookay I know what must have happened. Careful because I'm about to get really technical with the language used. One of these little floppies here must have broken off and is just in the way of every shot. Tried to get it out/off myself because it's messed up either way, but I think it's just time to finally upgrade to a Canon that can work with my iPad. Bye 200-whatever-you-were, hello streamlined technology! Thanks for all the support though I appreciate it! There is a used K-R in the Marketplace for $90. How much does the Canon system cost for a body, and lenses (or would you adapt your awesome Pentax lenses)? Or, as others have said, upgrade. You could probably upgrade to a newer Pentax camera, a low shutter count K-3 or K3II used would still be less than a Canon. The K-3/K-3II is a great camera.

07-10-2020, 05:50 PM	#43
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by leekil What does "cropped 100%" mean? The same as "full resolution" (1:1 match of image pixel to display pixel). Steve

07-12-2020, 10:13 PM	#44
leekil Pentaxian Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,003	Originally posted by stevebrot The same as "full resolution" (1:1 match of image pixel to display pixel). If he'd said 100% crop, I would have gotten his meaning. "Cropped 100%" seemed a bit weird and I didn't get it.

07-20-2020, 07:30 PM	#45
Philoslothical Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,889	Originally posted by stevebrot Dang! That is part of the trailing (rear) shutter curtain. IIRC, the K-r is only rated to 50,000 actuations, It's actually rated for 100k. I was lucky with mine, in that it made it to 116k. That shutter is done, though. No doubt about that. Originally posted by lmiller2112 When I kind of shake it around the shape moves around visibly through the Live View. I think this was the strongest clue.