Disappointing ricoh gr iii image quality

**ehrwien** · 07-29-2020, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by hirainme

I checked, and it was Adobe RGB correctly selected in my Ricoh...

If so I suspect that the used colour space while editing in Lightroom is also AdobeRGB. If so, is the monitor you're viewing the files on capable of displaying much in AdobeRGB colour space? Most monitors are able to display almost or even more than 100% of sRGB, but AdobeRGB is about 30% (?!) larger (?) than sRGB, so your monitor might not be able to display the colours correctly.

I think it is recommended to use sRGB whenever you can (because it is the most widely supported colour space), unless you explicitly need or profit from using AdobeRGB.

hirainme · 07-29-2020, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by ehrwien

If so I suspect that the used colour space while editing in Lightroom is also AdobeRGB. If so, is the monitor you're viewing the files on capable of displaying much in AdobeRGB colour space? Most monitors are able to display almost or even more than 100% of sRGB, but AdobeRGB is about 30% (?!) larger (?) than sRGB, so your monitor might not be able to display the colours correctly.

I think it is recommended to use sRGB whenever you can (because it is the most widely supported colour space), unless you explicitly need or profit from using AdobeRGB.

yes, the monitor is the same as before...

**ehrwien** · 07-29-2020, 05:39 AM

I would try setting colour profile in the GR and/or in Lightroom (for viewing/editing; not exporting, that seems to be the case already) to sRGB and see if the issue is still there.

Pentaxrookie · 07-29-2020, 07:18 AM - **1 Like**

I only see some posterization in LR when I am working from a smart preview or the file has not been loaded propperly. It happens very seldom but it happens.
Best would be to restart your PC or Mac and see if it still continues.
Hope this helps.

**southlander** · 07-29-2020, 07:37 AM

How are you viewing the images in Lightroom? If in Library or Develop then these are Lightroom’s preview images that are typically only 2 to 4 megapixels, with actual size controlled, from memory, in the Preferences menu item. The default is quite low. So edits can look pretty ordinary with the previews but fine once exported at high resolution. This would be accentuated if there is a mismatch between the preview resolution and your screen resolution as a rescaling is occurring and if your screen is higher res than the preview, that may well get ugly. I personally only judge the final result once I have exported out of Lightroom as a Jpeg at or above my screen’s resolution and view the image full screen using a jpeg viewer app. I use that to determine whether to go back into Lightroom and further edit the image.

stevebrot · 07-29-2020, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by hirainme

I checked, and it was Adobe RGB correctly selected in my Ricoh...

The choice of Adobe RGB vs. sRGB only applies to JPEG output.

Addendum: The manual is sort of foggy on the Image Capture Settings menu items. They all apply to JPEGs only, something that is only inferred in the descriptions and footnotes. The Pentax manuals have the same weakness.

Steve

**BigMackCam** · 07-29-2020, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by hirainme

It would be great if you could! Just to understand if you can see the same issues I see on my PC...

Sure. Send me a PM when you have time, and we'll figure out a way to get a file to me. I have a Google drive, so should be able to provide you with access to a folder on that...

**manishved** · 09-05-2020, 07:51 PM

Watching this thread. Any updates?

hirainme · 09-07-2020, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by manishved

Watching this thread. Any updates?

Problem solved! You can close the topic, many thanks!

awscreo · 09-07-2020, 07:12 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by hirainme

Problem solved! You can close the topic, many thanks!

Might be helpful for others to hear what fixed the issue for you I think.

I never ran into this myself with my GRIII

**david94903** · 09-07-2020, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by hirainme

Problem solved! You can close the topic, many thanks!

And what was the problem that was solved?

hirainme · 09-08-2020, 05:00 AM

It was simply the old windows 7, when i had the possibility to check the image via another computer the problem did not appear
perhaps with no updates the system had issues with color rendering...

**BigMackCam** · 09-08-2020, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by hirainme

It was simply the old windows 7, when i had the possibility to check the image via another computer the problem did not appear
perhaps with no updates the system had issues with color rendering...

I've had this same type of thing happen some time ago. I was processing photos from my Hasselblad HV in Lightroom 6, and was disappointed to find some noticeable areas of posterising. Initially, I put it down to the lossy compression used in the camera's raw files, but after re-profiling my monitor, the problem disappeared. Just an OS glitch, it seems...

**mikesbike** · 09-08-2020, 08:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

So, hirainme, with RAW files, they are incomplete images, the onus is on you to get the exposure, the contrast, the saturation, the colour balance, the noise reduction and the sharpening to your taste.

I agree, and agree also with the suggestion to shoot RAW + JPEG highest quality. I don't find the exposure to be bad, in fact about right considering the subject and circumstances. Any more exposure could burn out detail in the brighter side of the face. Incidentally, with outdoor people shots even in broad daylight, it's a good idea to use some fill flash.

hirainme · 09-09-2020, 11:30 AM

always shooting raw + jpeg highest quality

07-29-2020, 08:42 AM	#21
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by hirainme I checked, and it was Adobe RGB correctly selected in my Ricoh... The choice of Adobe RGB vs. sRGB only applies to JPEG output. Addendum: The manual is sort of foggy on the Image Capture Settings menu items. They all apply to JPEGs only, something that is only inferred in the descriptions and footnotes. The Pentax manuals have the same weakness. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 07-29-2020 at 09:34 AM.

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07-29-2020, 05:31 AM	#16
ehrwien Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 2,782	Originally posted by hirainme I checked, and it was Adobe RGB correctly selected in my Ricoh... If so I suspect that the used colour space while editing in Lightroom is also AdobeRGB. If so, is the monitor you're viewing the files on capable of displaying much in AdobeRGB colour space? Most monitors are able to display almost or even more than 100% of sRGB, but AdobeRGB is about 30% (?!) larger (?) than sRGB, so your monitor might not be able to display the colours correctly. I think it is recommended to use sRGB whenever you can (because it is the most widely supported colour space), unless you explicitly need or profit from using AdobeRGB.

07-29-2020, 05:35 AM	#17
hirainme New Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 10 Original Poster	Originally posted by ehrwien If so I suspect that the used colour space while editing in Lightroom is also AdobeRGB. If so, is the monitor you're viewing the files on capable of displaying much in AdobeRGB colour space? Most monitors are able to display almost or even more than 100% of sRGB, but AdobeRGB is about 30% (?!) larger (?) than sRGB, so your monitor might not be able to display the colours correctly. I think it is recommended to use sRGB whenever you can (because it is the most widely supported colour space), unless you explicitly need or profit from using AdobeRGB. yes, the monitor is the same as before...

07-29-2020, 05:39 AM	#18
ehrwien Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 2,782	I would try setting colour profile in the GR and/or in Lightroom (for viewing/editing; not exporting, that seems to be the case already) to sRGB and see if the issue is still there.

07-29-2020, 07:18 AM - 1 Like	#19
Pentaxrookie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: 48282 Emsdetten Posts: 113	I only see some posterization in LR when I am working from a smart preview or the file has not been loaded propperly. It happens very seldom but it happens. Best would be to restart your PC or Mac and see if it still continues. Hope this helps.

07-29-2020, 07:37 AM	#20
southlander Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Adelaide Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,364	How are you viewing the images in Lightroom? If in Library or Develop then these are Lightroom’s preview images that are typically only 2 to 4 megapixels, with actual size controlled, from memory, in the Preferences menu item. The default is quite low. So edits can look pretty ordinary with the previews but fine once exported at high resolution. This would be accentuated if there is a mismatch between the preview resolution and your screen resolution as a rescaling is occurring and if your screen is higher res than the preview, that may well get ugly. I personally only judge the final result once I have exported out of Lightroom as a Jpeg at or above my screen’s resolution and view the image full screen using a jpeg viewer app. I use that to determine whether to go back into Lightroom and further edit the image.

07-29-2020, 10:34 AM	#22
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by hirainme It would be great if you could! Just to understand if you can see the same issues I see on my PC... Sure. Send me a PM when you have time, and we'll figure out a way to get a file to me. I have a Google drive, so should be able to provide you with access to a folder on that...

09-05-2020, 07:51 PM	#23
manishved Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: N. Calif Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,652	Watching this thread. Any updates?

09-07-2020, 03:51 AM	#24
hirainme New Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 10 Original Poster	Originally posted by manishved Watching this thread. Any updates? Problem solved! You can close the topic, many thanks!

09-07-2020, 07:12 AM - 1 Like	#25
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by hirainme Problem solved! You can close the topic, many thanks! Might be helpful for others to hear what fixed the issue for you I think. I never ran into this myself with my GRIII

09-07-2020, 11:04 AM	#26
david94903 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: San Rafael, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 806	Originally posted by hirainme Problem solved! You can close the topic, many thanks! And what was the problem that was solved?

09-08-2020, 05:00 AM	#27
hirainme New Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 10 Original Poster	It was simply the old windows 7, when i had the possibility to check the image via another computer the problem did not appear perhaps with no updates the system had issues with color rendering...

09-08-2020, 02:21 PM	#28
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by hirainme It was simply the old windows 7, when i had the possibility to check the image via another computer the problem did not appear perhaps with no updates the system had issues with color rendering... I've had this same type of thing happen some time ago. I was processing photos from my Hasselblad HV in Lightroom 6, and was disappointed to find some noticeable areas of posterising. Initially, I put it down to the lossy compression used in the camera's raw files, but after re-profiling my monitor, the problem disappeared. Just an OS glitch, it seems...

09-08-2020, 08:48 PM - 1 Like	#29
mikesbike Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Southeastern Michigan Posts: 4,551	Originally posted by clackers So, hirainme, with RAW files, they are incomplete images, the onus is on you to get the exposure, the contrast, the saturation, the colour balance, the noise reduction and the sharpening to your taste. I agree, and agree also with the suggestion to shoot RAW + JPEG highest quality. I don't find the exposure to be bad, in fact about right considering the subject and circumstances. Any more exposure could burn out detail in the brighter side of the face. Incidentally, with outdoor people shots even in broad daylight, it's a good idea to use some fill flash.

09-09-2020, 11:30 AM	#30
hirainme New Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 10 Original Poster	always shooting raw + jpeg highest quality