Setting in Camera Preventing me from taking a Picture??

**landofcourtness** · 10-02-2020, 12:06 PM

Hello,

This has been a problem that I've had with my K-1 (it might happen with my K-3/5, but I just don't remember it happening)... and I cannot find the setting that makes this happen. Thought I would try here.

Problem:
While the camera is in AF (the physical switch on camera), the camera will not allow you to take a picture unless something in the frame is 'in-focus'. So that if it is blurry in any way, you can press the shutter button, and the camera will not respond. But if you were to manually focus until something is 'in-focus' (red-lights flash and all, if enabled), then it does allow. Sometimes however, even when (I think things are) in focus it won't take the picture. That's when it is truly annoying. And this situation also occurs sometimes with AF-lenses too, during moments where my AF can't find (or thinks it isn't in focus). If I switch the physical switch to MF, the camera is allowed to fire whenever I want, and the problem goes away.

I was just wondering what setting is stopping this? And/or if there was a way to over-ride this function... so that I can take a blurry photo, if I wanted to.

Hope this makes sense?

**FozzFoster** · 10-02-2020, 12:08 PM

in some of the last custom menu settings, it's called 'catch-in-focus'

oh, it might also be in the first camera settings menu...
- AF with viewfinder
- 1st Frame Action in AF.C -> switch to release priority from focus priority

selfnoise · 10-02-2020, 12:10 PM - **1 Like**

At least in the KP, you go into AF with Viewfinder setting, then AF.S Setting, then set to Release Priority.

stevebrot · 10-02-2020, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by landofcourtness

I was just wondering what setting is stopping this? And/or if there was a way to over-ride this function... so that I can take a blurry photo, if I wanted to.

AF-S with focus-priority (the defaults for both settings) will produce this behavior as will enabling catch-in focus with manual focus lenses. There are entries in the K-1 user guide index for both topics.

Steve

Last edited by stevebrot; 10-02-2020 at 12:44 PM. Reason: clarity

Not a Number · 10-02-2020, 12:43 PM

I don't know about the K-1 but on my K10D I set the AF button function to "cancel AF" which allows shutter release if I press the AF button with out focus confirmation lock.

**Cerebum** · 10-02-2020, 12:53 PM

Yep, go into your menu, on the K3 its C3, AF.S Setting, select 2 Release Priority. The note at the bottom will say "shutter can be released even if the subject is not in focus". Try that

pschlute · 10-02-2020, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by landofcourtness

Hello,

This has been a problem that I've had with my K-1 (it might happen with my K-3/5, but I just don't remember it happening)... and I cannot find the setting that makes this happen. Thought I would try here.

Problem:
While the camera is in AF (the physical switch on camera), the camera will not allow you to take a picture unless something in the frame is 'in-focus'. So that if it is blurry in any way, you can press the shutter button, and the camera will not respond. But if you were to manually focus until something is 'in-focus' (red-lights flash and all, if enabled), then it does allow. Sometimes however, even when (I think things are) in focus it won't take the picture. That's when it is truly annoying. And this situation also occurs sometimes with AF-lenses too, during moments where my AF can't find (or thinks it isn't in focus). If I switch the physical switch to MF, the camera is allowed to fire whenever I want, and the problem goes away.

I was just wondering what setting is stopping this? And/or if there was a way to over-ride this function... so that I can take a blurry photo, if I wanted to.

Hope this makes sense?

Yes you can change that setting.

But I have to ask....why would you want to take an un-focussed picture ? I know there are plenty of artistic reasons for doing so, but in those cases you would be using manual focus to achieve your aim.

btw the setting is to change AF-S from focus priority to release priority

**FozzFoster** · 10-02-2020, 12:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pschlute

but I have to ask....why would you want to take an un-focussed picture ?

The focus point thinks its outta focus, but outside of that focus point may be in focus.
Example: focus-recompose technique

stevebrot · 10-02-2020, 01:01 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

The focus point thinks its outta focus, but outside of that focus point may be in focus.
Example: focus-recompose technique

One more vote for single-point center spot AF.

Steve

**Cerebum** · 10-02-2020, 01:04 PM

Hmm, not letting me reply to Steve. OK. I just looked on the control panel and pressed the AF mode button and neither gave me the option to change it so the shutter fires without focus lock, I only got focus modes and focus points

**FozzFoster** · 10-02-2020, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

One more vote for single-point center spot AF.

That's how I set my AF as well.
However, I am very excited for using the single-point selectable focus point option along with the joystick on the K-New!
Selecting off-center focus points manually with the D-pad sucks.

**Cerebum** · 10-02-2020, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

One more vote for single-point center spot AF.

Steve

Gets my vote too

all this selecting gives me a headache

StephenHampshire · 10-02-2020, 03:01 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cerebum

Hmm, not letting me reply to Steve. OK. I just looked on the control panel and pressed the AF mode button and neither gave me the option to change it so the shutter fires without focus lock, I only got focus modes and focus points

Press Menu, select the Camera Icon....then Phase Detection AF... AF.S setting...Release Priority

stevebrot · 10-02-2020, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Cerebum

Hmm, not letting me reply to Steve. OK. I just looked on the control panel and pressed the AF mode button and neither gave me the option to change it so the shutter fires without focus lock, I only got focus modes and focus points

Sorry for leading you astray and then deleting!

I thought both options were available through that route, but consulting the camera behind me on the counter, I was informed I was in error. You can tell how often I change that sort of thing.

Steve

pschlute · 10-02-2020, 03:27 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

The focus point thinks its outta focus, but outside of that focus point may be in focus.
Example: focus-recompose technique

But focus-recompose technique relies on the focus being locked before the recompose takes place. I should know I use it all the time

If you don't lock the focus, you are not focus-recomposing.

10-02-2020, 12:06 PM	#1
landofcourtness Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 151	Setting in Camera Preventing me from taking a Picture?? Hello, This has been a problem that I've had with my K-1 (it might happen with my K-3/5, but I just don't remember it happening)... and I cannot find the setting that makes this happen. Thought I would try here. Problem: While the camera is in AF (the physical switch on camera), the camera will not allow you to take a picture unless something in the frame is 'in-focus'. So that if it is blurry in any way, you can press the shutter button, and the camera will not respond. But if you were to manually focus until something is 'in-focus' (red-lights flash and all, if enabled), then it does allow. Sometimes however, even when (I think things are) in focus it won't take the picture. That's when it is truly annoying. And this situation also occurs sometimes with AF-lenses too, during moments where my AF can't find (or thinks it isn't in focus). If I switch the physical switch to MF, the camera is allowed to fire whenever I want, and the problem goes away. I was just wondering what setting is stopping this? And/or if there was a way to over-ride this function... so that I can take a blurry photo, if I wanted to. Hope this makes sense?

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10-02-2020, 12:08 PM	#2
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	in some of the last custom menu settings, it's called 'catch-in-focus' oh, it might also be in the first camera settings menu... - AF with viewfinder - 1st Frame Action in AF.C -> switch to release priority from focus priority

10-02-2020, 12:10 PM - 1 Like	#3
selfnoise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Westbrook, ME, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 288	At least in the KP, you go into AF with Viewfinder setting, then AF.S Setting, then set to Release Priority.

10-02-2020, 12:39 PM	#4
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by landofcourtness I was just wondering what setting is stopping this? And/or if there was a way to over-ride this function... so that I can take a blurry photo, if I wanted to. AF-S with focus-priority (the defaults for both settings) will produce this behavior as will enabling catch-in focus with manual focus lenses. There are entries in the K-1 user guide index for both topics. Steve Last edited by stevebrot; 10-02-2020 at 12:44 PM. Reason: clarity

10-02-2020, 12:43 PM	#5
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	I don't know about the K-1 but on my K10D I set the AF button function to "cancel AF" which allows shutter release if I press the AF button with out focus confirmation lock.

10-02-2020, 12:53 PM	#6
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Yep, go into your menu, on the K3 its C3, AF.S Setting, select 2 Release Priority. The note at the bottom will say "shutter can be released even if the subject is not in focus". Try that

10-02-2020, 12:57 PM	#7
pschlute Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Surrey, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,198	Originally posted by landofcourtness Hello, This has been a problem that I've had with my K-1 (it might happen with my K-3/5, but I just don't remember it happening)... and I cannot find the setting that makes this happen. Thought I would try here. Problem: While the camera is in AF (the physical switch on camera), the camera will not allow you to take a picture unless something in the frame is 'in-focus'. So that if it is blurry in any way, you can press the shutter button, and the camera will not respond. But if you were to manually focus until something is 'in-focus' (red-lights flash and all, if enabled), then it does allow. Sometimes however, even when (I think things are) in focus it won't take the picture. That's when it is truly annoying. And this situation also occurs sometimes with AF-lenses too, during moments where my AF can't find (or thinks it isn't in focus). If I switch the physical switch to MF, the camera is allowed to fire whenever I want, and the problem goes away. I was just wondering what setting is stopping this? And/or if there was a way to over-ride this function... so that I can take a blurry photo, if I wanted to. Hope this makes sense? Yes you can change that setting. But I have to ask....why would you want to take an un-focussed picture ? I know there are plenty of artistic reasons for doing so, but in those cases you would be using manual focus to achieve your aim. btw the setting is to change AF-S from focus priority to release priority

10-02-2020, 12:58 PM - 1 Like	#8
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by pschlute but I have to ask....why would you want to take an un-focussed picture ? The focus point thinks its outta focus, but outside of that focus point may be in focus. Example: focus-recompose technique

10-02-2020, 01:01 PM - 2 Likes	#9
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by FozzFoster The focus point thinks its outta focus, but outside of that focus point may be in focus. Example: focus-recompose technique One more vote for single-point center spot AF. Steve

10-02-2020, 01:04 PM	#10
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Hmm, not letting me reply to Steve. OK. I just looked on the control panel and pressed the AF mode button and neither gave me the option to change it so the shutter fires without focus lock, I only got focus modes and focus points

10-02-2020, 01:04 PM	#11
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by stevebrot One more vote for single-point center spot AF. That's how I set my AF as well. However, I am very excited for using the single-point selectable focus point option along with the joystick on the K-New! Selecting off-center focus points manually with the D-pad sucks.

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10-02-2020, 01:05 PM	#12
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by stevebrot One more vote for single-point center spot AF. Steve Gets my vote too all this selecting gives me a headache

10-02-2020, 03:01 PM - 1 Like	#13
StephenHampshire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Winchester Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,523	Originally posted by Cerebum Hmm, not letting me reply to Steve. OK. I just looked on the control panel and pressed the AF mode button and neither gave me the option to change it so the shutter fires without focus lock, I only got focus modes and focus points Press Menu, select the Camera Icon....then Phase Detection AF... AF.S setting...Release Priority

10-02-2020, 03:10 PM	#14
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Cerebum Hmm, not letting me reply to Steve. OK. I just looked on the control panel and pressed the AF mode button and neither gave me the option to change it so the shutter fires without focus lock, I only got focus modes and focus points Sorry for leading you astray and then deleting! I thought both options were available through that route, but consulting the camera behind me on the counter, I was informed I was in error. You can tell how often I change that sort of thing. Steve

10-02-2020, 03:27 PM - 2 Likes	#15
pschlute Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Surrey, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,198	Originally posted by FozzFoster The focus point thinks its outta focus, but outside of that focus point may be in focus. Example: focus-recompose technique But focus-recompose technique relies on the focus being locked before the recompose takes place. I should know I use it all the time If you don't lock the focus, you are not focus-recomposing.