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11-22-2021, 07:33 AM   #46
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Exactly... the most sensible option (in my view) being, recommend "neutral-rendition" gear (what's the English for "passe-partout"?) unless otherwise requested
Same goes for the price range, as long as we don't have a budget, spending somenone else's money is easy...

11-22-2021, 08:50 AM   #47
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The F 35-135 I used to have, it was a fun lens but I wouldn't recommend it as an all-purpose walk around (it has strong personnality let's say)
I used that lens for years with my PZ-1. I found it a mixed bag. The lens was slow (optically) and the lack of a dedicated hood didnít help some images as the front element isnít recessed. But it was a handy zoom range with reasonable quality for generally use. Mine has been sold on as well.
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I guess the thing here is older glass can meet your needs, but , you probably won't know until you buy it. For example why would anyone buy my 35-80 when the 28-105 is such a good lens? Honestly I thought I'd get by on my 35-80 until a 24-105 came along. You can guess how that tired out. I bought the 28-105 and a Sigma 24 macro... I should have done it sooner.

On APS-c 10 years later the DA 18-135 is still my favourite lens. And the Tamron 17-50, Tamron 90 macro combination is my wife's favourite combo.

The Tamron was one of my first purchases 10 years ago, she liked it right off the bat and continues to use it for pretty much everything. The Pentax 100 macro is equal to it as far as I can tell. I prefer it because it's WR.

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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
There in lies the issue, lenses with "personality" may not appeal to people even if they are good lenses.
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On APS-c 10 years later the DA 18-135 is still my favourite lens.
It has personality. It can be frustrating with its nisen bokeh and its purple fringing and the soft corners at the long end, but when you work around those things it can be really surprisingly good. Really nice colour and contrast ..

.. sometimes even a little 3D:


I'm still getting to know the 16-85. I can't fault it, but I haven't discovered that kind of personality yet.

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QuoteOriginally posted by victordeamorin Quote
QuoteOriginally posted by photogem Quote
The F35-70 is a light and small and very good lens with a kind of 1:4 macro at 70mm.
Far superior to the terrible FA28-70/4, to me one of those F or FA zooms I'd never even consider anymore! I never came across a sparp good copy.
I respectfully disagree; I'm enjoying mine although clearly it is not in the same league as the newer D FA 28-105.
The 35-70 gets good reviews as well indeed.
I had many copies of the FA28-70/4 and never found one to be the remotest interesting on APS-C (the questionier asked for his K5).
You gave the FA28-70/4 a rating of 8 in your review while you rated the legendary SMC K28/2 (Hollywood) with a poor 7.
You rated the DA-L55-200 with a 8.
The relation of such ratings is ... with all due respect... alien to me.
The K28/2 is on the same level as the FA31limited or the Zeiss Distagon T*28/2.
One might have difficulties with pure manual lenses but to write a review as you did for the Hollywood and then rate the FA28-70 higher, very very questionable.
The very interesting thing is that the DA16-45 has similar design properties to the K28/2 (and the FA31).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
Another big vote for new-ish DFA28-105

Although designed as a full frame lens, the focal length is right where you want it. I used it quite a bit on the KP in Antarctica (when I had the DFA15-30 on the K-1), and was very happy with the results.


Superb images! Especially the second one must decorate a wall...

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12-17-2021, 02:32 AM   #52
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The relation of such ratings is ... with all due respect... alien to me.
The answer to your implicit question is pretty obvious: I have rated cheap lenses relatively higher because I have chosen to give an important weight on the quality/price ratio in my ratings.
As far as I know each member here is still allowed to rate depending of their own criteria. In the case of the 28/2, I clearly state in my review that the rating is low due to very high used prices.

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I'd say for travel the 16-85. I think the wide end is useful for cityscapes and interiors. I did use a 21mm almost exclusively around Oz and Singapore but despite having a 100 with me I mostly wished for wider not longer and the 21 wasn't wide enough sometimes but absolutely perfect most of the time.
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