Originally posted by mikesbike If this amount is all you can muster in your budget, than that's the way it is, better than not having it. However, there is always some risk in buying used when dealing with such a complex electronic monster as a modern DSLR. The K-1 is very well constructed, but one never knows even then what it has been through.At those prices, the cost of a new K-1 II represents one of the best bargains among pro-level FF DSLR cameras in the marketplace today. Its image quality and features, as well as design, are among the best available for still photography. A factory warranty might seem like some unnecessary item not worth much, and I've had many new Pentax camera bodies over the years which never required employing them. But I did have two Pentax DSLR bodies that failed some months after purchase, one of them being a very well-built flagship model. When it is needed, a warranty can be worth a lot of money.The K-1 II was developed with some advancements, especially in terms of better high ISO performance. It has been shown capable of cleaner, lower noise imaging at higher ISO settings. But maybe this is something you don't need, as you rarely shoot using higher ISO settings.It is much like the comparison between the K-3 II and the K-3 III. The K-3 III has been shown capable of cleaner, lower noise imaging at higher ISO settings, as well as its higher frame rate for burst shooting. But if you don't have need for these advancements, just go with a good used K-3 II, put your money towards the new DA* 16-50mm f/2.8 PLM lens and you'll have super fast AF and everything else that suits your needs, at quite a savings.
It sure looks like our mileage absolutely does vary on a lot of these points.
- Purchasing a used body through, for instance, KEH like I did, gives you a return window should you find there's something wrong with the camera, and also the big savings (about %50 in my case).
- I went back an re-read
the articles here
comparing K1 and K1ii (I just got through referring to these pretty extensively last week, I'm really starting to get to know these articles!) and once again came to the conclusion that the difference in iso performance with the K1ii upgrade is real but not huge. The biggest aspect of the jump is specific to SOOC JPGs.
I only have a K1. If you have both cameras and disagree, I will defer to your opinion (I will anyhow; I'm not at all trying to start a kerfuffle/threadjack here). But you've come to a different conclusion than the staff reviewers here came to on that point.
- The K3ii to K3iii, on the other hand, seems plainly like a more drastic difference than you're portraying it. Everything I've seen/read shows that it does take much better shots at high ISO as you mention, but that's hardly the only important change. The interface is quite different (a third control wheel means a whole lot to me, at least, not to mention the joystick and touchscreen and new menus and more customization); the viewfinder is much improved and ballyhooed; the autofocus system is completely revamped, including new functionality such as eye tracking (of course AF speed does depend much on the lens, which you allude to); the burst rate is drastically faster (as you point out); new metering system; better SR; and on and on.
It sure doesn't seem like getting a K3ii plus a nice lens is anywhere near the same thing as getting the new model. I don't have either camera (I'm absolutely saving for a K3iii though), so I'll once again defer to you on that point from here on out. But I would caution OP about coming to his conclusions based on what you've written there. K3iii is plainly a whole new generation of camera compared to K3ii.