[Des]

Flash tips aside, that last joke is a ball-tearer.

Yeah a cracker. Very Melbourne too. When I was a kid in Melbourne one of our neighbours was complaining about being invited to a wedding on AFL (the Aussie Rules comp) Grand Final day. When his daughter protested he said, "Cheryl I wouldn't go to your wedding if it was on Grand Final day".

[Sandy Hancock]

When I was a kid in Melbourne one of our neighbours was complaining about being invited to a wedding on AFL (the Aussie Rules comp) Grand Final day. When his daughter protested he said, "Cheryl I wouldn't go to your wedding if it was on Grand Final day".

My wedding (way back in 1991) was on SANFL Grand Final day. There may have been some at the evening reception who had not made it to the 4:00 pm ceremony

[mikesbike]

My PZ-1 was my first Pentax and also my first af camera.

I eventually got the PZ-1p during the late 1990's many years after the ME Super, then the SF-1n. which was my first SLR with the inboard flash. These cameras were remarkable in the use of the built-in flash, along WITH a flash unit in the hot shoe! This could be done due to the hot shoe being set off to one side to make room for the top info panel. I found this arrangement to have more advantages than disadvantages, being that both flashes could be used together. I did so frequently, quite often using the more powerful flash for bounce effect along with the inboard flash for straight-on fill. It was so effective, the results could look very much as if the shot were done with a slave flash setup, yet done with total portability on the fly! My PZ-1p had very advanced and sophisticated control features. I still have it.

These days, some Pentax flash units have an additional straight-on light, which can be used in similar fashion instead of the camera's inboard flash, which cannot be used together with a flash unit mounted in the hotshot above it. Perhaps with some types of bracket installed for the flash unit, it might then be possible.

[UncleVanya]

I eventually got the PZ-1p during the late 1990's many years after the ME Super, then the SF-1n. which was my first SLR with the inboard flash. These cameras were remarkable in the use of the built-in flash, along WITH a flash unit in the hot shoe! This could be done due to the hot shoe being set off to one side to make room for the top info panel. I found this arrangement to have more advantages than disadvantages, being that both flashes could be used together. I did so frequently, quite often using the more powerful flash for bounce effect along with the inboard flash for straight-on fill. It was so effective, the results could look very much as if the shot were done with a slave flash setup, yet done with total portability on the fly! My PZ-1p had very advanced and sophisticated control features. I still have it.

These days, some Pentax flash units have an additional straight-on light, which can be used in similar fashion instead of the camera's inboard flash, which cannot be used together with a flash unit mounted in the hotshot above it. Perhaps with some types of bracket installed for the flash unit, it might then be possible.

Yes. That’s what I was referencing. I used a 330 on the hot shoe and the onboard flash together. It worked a treat. Somewhere I have shots I made in a condo my grandmother owned with large rooms and white walls. The ability to use ttl and balance flash with ambient lighting was good as well.

Incidentally the first camer I used with an offset hotshoe was the Nikon F2 - which required an external adapter. At the time I didn’t think the F2 needing an adapter was a big deal, now I think it was quite an annoying limitation but necessary given the body design. In both of those cameras the offset helped with red eye issues a bit.