Originally posted by Bill Stickers I'm sorry that I don't have the inclination to read through thousands of words OT I tend to skim through for the important bits. I then quote them,instead of using vague retoric, so you can see what I'm talking about. If I've missed something important how bout you quote it so i can see where I'm wrong.
The important parts were quite simple to find. 25% of a decent sample size died, in mildly wet weather, two of which were under rain covers. The forum link to one of the people with a dead camera said the shutter button was corroded.
Originally posted by Bill Stickers I was looking for evidence[and found it] that the MKii had weather sealing. I'm not interested in buying the camera so I didn't read the whole review. What did I miss?
It has some sealing in some parts of the body, which don't add up to a pile of shit if the entire body isn't sealed. Especially the shutter button, which tends to be a fairly well used part of a camera!
Originally posted by Bill Stickers I don't see how a blog post on LL has more credibility than a proper review on DPR. LL says the mkii's aren't weather sealed, DPR says they are and even shows you where they are. Who should I believe?
DPR says, quoted from Canon "they improved dust and water resistance" They don't claim weather sealing. It's even in the "Cons" section saying the Canon version of sealing isn't up to par with competition.
Originally posted by Bill Stickers Apart from an unsourced remark on LL you've provided me with no proof that I'm wrong. Prove me wrong and I'll admit it.
How about here, from Canon themselves?
Canon Australia - Canon Digital SLR - Canon Digital SLR EOS 5D Mark II Feature Summary
Hmm, nope, not in it's feature summary. How about the technical specs?
Canon Australia - Canon Digital SLR - Canon Digital SLR EOS 5D Mark II Technical Specification
Nope, not mentioned there, either, maybe they just don't mention it on their own website, promoting their own cameras. Let's check a known weather sealed Canon pro body just in case!
Canon Australia - EOS-1Ds Mark III Body
Yep, they mention it right in the first paragraph!
Canon Australia - EOS-1Ds Mark III Body
There it is again, in their technical specs!
Maybe they mention it on their 5d promo site when it was first released.
Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Hmm, nothing in the section about body construction. What about the technical specs on that promo site?
Canon EOS 5D Mark II - Specifications
Interesting, nothing about weather sealing, but a bit of a bugger there about operating below 85% humidity. Makes it easy to deny warranty claims I suppose.
Originally posted by Bill Stickers My logical flaws? You're the one who's confusing bad/little weather sealing with none at all. Not only that but 3/4ths of the 'non weather resistant' mkii's survived without a problem. explain that.
No confusion there, since I never claimed it had no seals, I said it is not weather sealed. A semantic argument, but an important one, since half assed sealing is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. I'm completely amazed that you seem to think a 25% failure rate is acceptable as well. I don't need to explain that 75% of them worked, since we've all taken unsealed cameras out in the rain and had them survive. It's high death rates that are the concern.
Originally posted by Bill Stickers you also claim that 100mm in three minutes must be the right answer[because your precious camera must be better than canons]. Whilst if you'd read my post you'd be able to tell why that's ridiculous. ie that 100mm of rain in three minutes(=2000mm/hr) is 40x stronger than average extreme rain and 7x stronger than the world record of 300mm/hr. that's no longer rain resistant, that's now rain proof and waterfall resistant. my logical flaws?
Um, how about the logical flaw that YOU said the K20D's could handle 100mm in 3 minutes, then said that can't be possible since the 5Dmk2 can only handle 10mm, and they are both weather sealed thus they should handle the same amount. Which I thought was strange, since the Canon isn't sealed, so obviously I figured your initial recollection might be closer to the truth, and replied as such. You might be completely right that 100mm is a ridiculous figure.
Originally posted by Bill Stickers I find your attitude ironic for someone recommending I apologize for mine. And apart from my remark about why would someone comment out of ignorance[which was an honest question not a snide remark], I find no hint of attitude in any of my post so far. I believe in your zealous quest to defend you favorite brand you see anyone who disagrees with you as having a bad attitude.
You called me a liar or ignorant, yet you think brand zealotry is why I think you have a bad attitude? What was I lying about? And who is the ignorant one?
I don't even dislike Canon or the 5Dmk2, I'm actually disappointed that they released it without weather sealing, since it would be high on my list of cameras to jump to if I changed from using Pentax for whatever reason. I'm not interested in it now, since for that price I'd want a decent body with proper weather sealing. I'd be better served going Nikon.
Originally posted by Bill Stickers I look forward to your reply/apology
Yes, I am waiting for your apology, because you got proven wrong. Are you going to back up your own words and admit it?