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03-11-2009, 09:17 AM   #1
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How many Lens's?

Hi guys. Well I'm totally new to this.

Got myself a K200D and the first thing I found was that the standard lens (18-55) didn't have enough reach.

I got myself a 50-200 next. And really need a 55-300 I think for taking bird shots.

But I now find I can't do macro either with the 18-55.

I've actually gone back to my Canon powershot 430 for macro.

Is this a never ending thing with DSLR? Your forever buying lens's?

Or does it actually stop somewhere?

.-.-.

03-11-2009, 09:25 AM   #2
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We stop indefinitely I think. I just stopped from my lens buying frenzy from these past two months. But I just knew if I see that 105 Takumar for a good price, I'm so going to grab it =) I believe some (most?) pros actually stop more definitely because they usually just keep what they can really use. CMIIW

For macro on the cheap check out the Raynox 150 and 250. You make conpromises with it on focusing distance but it's a great combo with the 50-200 (the 250, I don't know how the 150 combines with the 50-200). If you want the more expensive options there are plenty out there =)
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I have the 17-50mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4, 70-200mm f/2.8, and 18-250mm. It would be nice to have a more macro lens, but not essential. For landscapes and model photography, I am mostly covered. Was vaguely considering a 28-75mm f/2.8.

If anything, my future purchases will be related to lighting equipment.
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QuoteOriginally posted by vk4akp Quote

Is this a never ending thing with DSLR? Your forever buying lens's?

Or does it actually stop somewhere?

.-.-.
No, it is never going to stop.
After a while you can see the quality difference between lenses and then you want the best..... meaning no long range can do all type of lens but primes and/or short range high quality zooms, dedicated macro lenses etc. etc.

That's why people call this a hobby

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It never ends unless you die or run out of money. The best advice anyone can give is to sell all your SLR gear and buy a Holga.
03-11-2009, 09:45 AM   #6
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QuoteOriginally posted by krypticide Quote
I have the 17-50mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4, 70-200mm f/2.8, and 18-250mm. It would be nice to have a more macro lens, but not essential. For landscapes and model photography, I am mostly covered. Was vaguely considering a 28-75mm f/2.8.

If anything, my future purchases will be related to lighting equipment.
This is almost the exact same setup (lenses) as I use, except I have a 28/3.5 and have my eyes on a 55-300...and a Sigma 10-20...well, perhaps it doesn't end?

I am traveling more with my Tamron 17-50 as my only lens since I need to keep it extremely simple and with no camera bag when working...so far, I am enjoying it a bit more than my 18-250 which was my previous "one lens fits all situations" lens. Not taking anything away from the 18-250, just know I use wider instead of longer and you cant beat the sharpness of the 17-50/2.8.

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03-11-2009, 09:49 AM   #7
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QuoteOriginally posted by vk4akp Quote

Is this a never ending thing with DSLR? Your forever buying lens's?

Or does it actually stop somewhere?

.-.-.
On another board, it is referred to as "LBA".
Lens Buying Addiction

Longer, wider, closer, faster, it does not matter.
We have 30 years worth of lenses to choose from, and it can be fun to search for a gem in the used bin.

I would suggest you look at what you like to shoot the most, then build your kit from there.
You may end up selling you kit lens (and maybe some others) to achieve that perfect set of lenses for what you like to shoot.
As for macro, the Raynox would probably be the best choice. Playing around with reversed lenses and extention tubes can be cumbersome. Then there is always the almost-a-macros, like my 17-70 and my 70-300. The choice is really up to you.

I am currently eyeing a lens that is not quite as wide as my 17-70, but is longer at the tele end, to use as my "walk-around" lens. this lens would cover about 80% of my day to day photo needs. And then I will probably sell the 17-70 to get either a "super-wide" or a "super-telephoto". Then again, I could use a good flashgun.
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I don't think it ever ends. There hundereds of choices of lenses out there. That is what has made the SLR the camera of choice. A good point and shoot will take many pictures that are as good as anything an SLR can produce but there are those shots that only an SLR with a certain lens can do and it is those pictures that made us say WOW! and that is why we buy these cameras and are always looking for the lens that we need to get that "shot". We always need a telephoto a little longer. Then one a little faster. Then a faster and sharper one. Then a wide angle. Then a fisheye. Then a macro. Then.....see what happens?

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For many years in the pre-digital age, I was very happy with a 50mm "normal", a 70-150 close-focus zoom, and a 28mm wide angle. Those three lenses covered almost everything I was interested in shooting. The only thing I really wanted was something for macro.

I am not sure what happened to me with the purchase of my K10D. I think what started it was the issue of limited wide-angle options for APS-C. Then there was the abundance of inexpensive M42 and K-mount lenses available on craigslist and eBay. It did not help that people like jsherman999 were constantly posting examples of the great work that could be done with "xyz" lens.

Fortunately, my purchases of new lenses have been limited to a decent Sigma macro, the FA 35/2, the Zenitar 16/2.8, and the Jupiter-9 85/2. None of those were expensive and all have given plenty of return for the investment. The used purchases have all been cheap, cheap, cheap and hardly count in the final expense balance.

Do I really need everything? Probably not. My active kit for the K10D is:
  • 18-55 kit
  • Zenitar 16/2.8
  • Jupiter-9 85/2
  • FA 35/2
  • Tamron 70-150/3.5
For 35mm film, it is pretty much the same as it always has been:
  • M 50/1.7
  • Tamron 28/2.5
  • Tamron 70-150/3.5
  • Jupiter-9 85/2
Sometimes I throw in the M 200 or the Sigma 50 macro and if I am in a fun mood, I might shoot with one of my M42 lenses.

Steve

(LBA subsiding in recent months...still a 70-200/2.8 to replace the adaptall Tamron might be nice...)
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It is easy to quit buying lenses. I do it all the time.

Regarding a macro lens I suggest that whatever you get be able to do 1:1 magnification without attachments.

Legacy lenses can be a cost-effective source of such capability. I am very happy with a "Macro-Takumar 50:4" it is slow and 100% manual which makes almost no difference when shooting at high magnifications (around $75USD delivered). Recently it has been the lens I use most frequently.

YOU NEED A MACRO LENS. ANY 1:1 MACRO LENS WITH CLEAR GLASS SHOULD DO.

Dave

PS IF cost is not too important look at an autofocus 100mm fast macro lens to double as a long portrait lens. Oooo.
03-11-2009, 10:35 AM   #11
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QuoteOriginally posted by vk4akp Quote
Hi guys. Well I'm totally new to this.

Got myself a K200D and the first thing I found was that the standard lens (18-55) didn't have enough reach.

I got myself a 50-200 next. And really need a 55-300 I think for taking bird shots.
Someone on this forum gave me some very good advice. I had LBA in a bad way when i got my K100 in 2007. I quickly bought the 50-200 and then the FA50f/1.4. The advice was to stick with the 18-55 and 50-200 and get to know those lenses then upgrade in due time. In good light they are great beginner lenses.

I upgraded the 18-55 (sort of...i still kept the 18-55 ) to the Sigma EX DG 24-60 f/2.8, which is a great value lens as I've heard from others and agree with completely.

If you're shooting birds, upgrade your 50-200 for the 55-300, which I've heard is an outstanding value as well, and you should only be about $150 more out of pocket.
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QuoteOriginally posted by vk4akp Quote
Or does it actually stop somewhere?
Only you can stop it.

I have a number of cameras. Old and new. Pentax and ... not Pentax. This has forced some decisions upon me.

In the case of any one camera I sort of have a standard kit... I almost always find a combination like:

28-70mm (or 17-70 or 18-55 or 16-45 or 28-85mm, or 28-105mm, etc.) and
70-210mm (or so - slot 55-300 here)

The 300 range? Nice to have for birding, but if I was going there I'd look for the 70-300 or such... I would not have a 50-200 AND a 55-300. Especially those SPECIFIC lenses. Lose the weight. Sell the 50-200.

In most cases at least one of the above basic two lens kits will have some kind of close focus ability. Boom. Done. 95% of what I do is covered by these specifications. The only question is the best lenses to choose in these ranges, and that's manageable and fun.

I just did this with a Nikon film camera for my boy.

Nikon F80
Nikkor 35-70mm
Nikkor 70-210mm

The 35-70 has close focus ability all the way through the zoom range and it's an f/3.5-4.5. Relatively nice.

In the case of a primary camera, I have a perhaps higher quality version of the two lens kit and add to the lower end with a 10-20 or 16-45 or 16-50. But I like to do that work. I would use psuedo macro until I decided that 300+ was what I really needed to spend. My Digital LBA took this trajectory... I am not rich, so my version of higher quality is not as high as you can go with Pentax in these ranges.

1. 28-105 FA
2. 70-210 F
3. 28-70 FA sold 28-105 FA
4. Purchased Tamron 28-75mm and relegated 28-70 above to a film body that needed a 28-70 for its kit.
5. Purchased 55-300 and relegated 70-210 to the same film camera as item 4.
6. Purchased 17-35 to play with wide... decided it was great but needed a few mm on both sides if possible so sold 17-35
7. Purchased 16-45 to replace 17-35
8. Played with macro on Tamron and decided to purchase Sigma 105mm EX DG; this is a full frame lens and will work well with film cameras as well.

Final Kit:

16-45mm Pentax
28-75mm Tamron
55-300 Pentax
105mm Macro lens

This really does cover me happily 110% of the time thus far. Frankly, I could drop the Tamron. I keep it because it is just such a nice lens and covers a real sweet spot for me. 45% of everything I take is between 28 and 75 mm. Read: that's about 100% of my "walk around" and it means I can slap this one lens on, go to the county fair and be done. Everything after that can pretty much be accomplished in PP. Indeed, the Tamron will work with a full frame film camera, so it has multiple uses. Finally, it is relatively fast at 2.8 and gets the job done. The Sigma could go too. I view it as a luxury and as a cross over with film as well. I actually don't NEED it and it would be the first to go if something needed to go. About the only thing I am missing is a fast 50mm. In truth I have one of those too, but that does not count since it is obligatory. Heh.

Point is... experiment, but try to build around a basic two lens kit, sell off the stuff that you are upgrading and move for fewer lenses with higher quality/versatility.

Hope this helps.

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03-11-2009, 10:48 AM   #13
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The correct number of lLenses....

The "perfect" number of lenses you need to own can be expressed by this simple equation:

n+1 = total lens happiness

n = the number of lenses you already own.
03-11-2009, 11:11 AM   #14
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It can be neverending if you have too much overlap, a 50-200 and a 55-300 is a waste especially for someone new to DSLRs IMO. Think about a Teleconverter (TC).
Get yourself a 50mm prime for speed and quality that your 18-55 kit doesn't give you.

Zoom lenses with a macro feature are really just close focus. Try reading these excellent articles about shooting macros by one of the moderators on the forum;
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QuoteOriginally posted by vk4akp Quote
Hi guys. Well I'm totally new to this.

Got myself a K200D and the first thing I found was that the standard lens (18-55) didn't have enough reach.

I got myself a 50-200 next. And really need a 55-300 I think for taking bird shots.

But I now find I can't do macro either with the 18-55.

I've actually gone back to my Canon powershot 430 for macro.

Is this a never ending thing with DSLR? Your forever buying lens's?

Or does it actually stop somewhere?

.-.-.
Eventually you'll run out of money.
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