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05-13-2009, 02:27 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by thrillerb Quote
For those of you using the bounce flash, what angle do typically use? I have the AF280T which came without a manual so I'm struggling a bit to get consistent results.

BTW - I use a *istDL with a Sigma 24 - 135 f2.8 - 4.5 for the majority of my shots
The bounce angle depends a lot on the location. In general, bouncing against a corner is better than against a flat surface. But it's difficult to answer your question quantitavely.

First off, there is the law of reflection: the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection. You have to make sure the light hits the subject.

Also, the "best" angle tends to rob a lot of light from you. The AF280T with guide number 28 (meter, ISO 100) is not great in the first place, bouncing the light makes getting proper exposure even more difficult.

Typically you lose 2 stops by bouncing. So even at ISO 400, the GN of 56 becomes 28. And then the light path is much longer; instead of from flash to subject, you now have flash to bouncing surface and then to subject.

Keep practicing and taking notes....

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Ps I found the 28-75 my most used lens for shots of the kids... I am on a old MF prime run now, but the tammy is a fine family shooter.
It is good to know that the tammy is useful for kids. How often do you find yourself using the flash with this 28-75 lens?
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And that lasts about 6 months... eventually you are having to bribe then with Ice cream and other goodies... sadly soon even that fails!!! And you become the bothersome dad with a camera....
I can empathize. My wife calls me the paparittzi and my kids start running away chanting "Daddy - no pictures" (just like "Swiper, no swiping" from Dora).
05-13-2009, 03:31 PM   #19
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That's like saying "I bought a new car, what speed should I drive it at?"

(hey Marc - you *can* sneak in a car analogy now and then)
Brilliant!

My answer to the question about flash angle: practice shooting pool for some insight.

05-13-2009, 03:32 PM   #20
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Not a lot with the flash for me

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It is good to know that the tammy is useful for kids. How often do you find yourself using the flash with this 28-75 lens?
It is a very good lens for use with the flash... I do not use mine with the flash a lost because my oldest is a blinker...(blinks on the Pttl preflash. But I have used it in manual flash mode and it works good. I try a lot of window light stuff indoors and the 2.8 is pretty good for that. I highly recommend the Tammy...

Lately I have been using old MF primes like the helios 44m... If you can find one of those for 25 bucks or so, for the family shots, I think you would like it. It is a great one/two punch with the tamron 28-75

Here is one of my favorite shots showing the 28-75 at its best IMO... this was taken at a New Years Eve gig at ISO 1600 with the K100d and the Tamron at 75mm... you can see the make-up artists eyelash on her right eye at ISO 1600 and F2.8... Nuff said.





These are with the Helios 44M 58mm f2
Helios 44M with manual Bounce flash


Window light...



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Oh my goodness! Stunning work gus! These are beautiful shots. Love the tenderness you captured in the black and white.
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FYI - Using the onboard flash with the Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 with hood attached will result in shading of the lens hood. Using a dedicated flash unit (Sunpak 383, AF 360/540/whatever) produces no such shading.

I use a dedicated flash every so often, probably less than when I need it.
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My kids are now older and when they were in their toddler years I shot rolls and rolls of film with a 50mm lens that were the "kit" lenses of their day. The DA 40 will probably give similar results. I now have toddler grandkids and use a zoom when taking pictures of them most of the time. My old manual primes are still in my bag but I prefer the zoom when keeping up with the kids. I will agree with Gus's advice. A good quality fast zoom and some very affordable manual primes will set you up nice. Of course if you have the cash and can get the 50/1.4 or the DA 40/2.8 they would be good choices.

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FYI - Using the onboard flash with the Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 with hood attached will result in shading of the lens hood. Using a dedicated flash unit (Sunpak 383, AF 360/540/whatever) produces no such shading.

I use a dedicated flash every so often, probably less than when I need it.
Thanks bactman, I ordered the metz 48 today!

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A good quality fast zoom and some very affordable manual primes will set you up nice
Yeah, got the tammy a week ago!

Anyone use the jupiter 85/2 M42 lens? I found some brandnew piece on ebay for $135 including shipping. Is that a good price for the lens?
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Thanks bactman, I ordered the metz 48 today!



Yeah, got the tammy a week ago!

Anyone use the jupiter 85/2 M42 lens? I found some brandnew piece on ebay for $135 including shipping. Is that a good price for the lens?
Congrats on the tammy. Still a great lens IMHO

I have the jupiter 9 and I enjoy it a lot... it is a little soft wide open, but that works well for portraits. And stops down nice. It definately has a look!

LOOK AT YOUR OWN RISK! This is how it starts.... then I start recommending other old Russian lenses... and then the East German glass

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/39883-first-2-...piter-9-a.html

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/post-your-photos/40220-i-just-cant-stop.html
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LOOK AT YOUR OWN RISK! This is how it starts.... then I start recommending other old Russian lenses... and then the East German glass
Ha ha, LBA...I will probably end up getting the jupiter. As always, your photographs are just stunning Gus!
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