Can't figure out where this is coming from

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 04:55 PM

I have this new MZ-7. I shot a 36 exposure roll with it yesterday. There are dust or scratches showing on the scanned film. And I can't figure out where it is coming from.

I have cleaned the camera mirrors, I have cleaned the lens glass. I dusted my scanner, and I cleaned the film. Still I get white spots, scratch looking marks on the scans.

I'm not a newbie to cameras or film or scanners. I know how to clean them all.

So below is a photo with the shown problem. I want to know if any of you have any other suggestions what this could be.

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Damn Brit · 05-18-2009, 05:07 PM

It could have happened when they were processing the film.

Ole · 05-18-2009, 05:13 PM

Poor processing or scanning in an environment that isn't dust free.

SOldBear · 05-18-2009, 05:26 PM

What scanner are you using? Does it has some sort of digital ICE?

Your scanned image looks like many of my color negatives when scanned with an Epson Perfection 3200 with no digital ICE. Scanning with a Nikon Coolscan V ED with digital ICE 'fixed' 90% of the dust problem.

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 05:28 PM

I did the scanning Ole. But I thought also, heaven forbid that CVS did this to my film. They do hang them out in the open. I hope they were dry before doing that. If this is the case, you bet I'll find another developer. Wish I had proof.

Thanks guys, cause I was racking my brain trying to figure out where that dust and scratches was coming from. Hoping it wasn't minisicule scratches on the mirror or lens.

It's not my scanner SOldBear. I scan photos and my other negs without any problems. I use an Epson Perfection 4490 and it has digital ice.

SOldBear here is a photo from years ago that I just scanned with my Espon, using no digital ice. As you can see, no dust or scratches.

Damn Brit · 05-18-2009, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by photolady

I did the scanning Ole. But I thought also, heave forbid that CVS did this to my film. They do hang them out in the open. I hope they were dry before doing that. If this is the case, you bet I'll find another developer. Wish I had proof.

Thanks guys, cause I was racking my brain trying to figure out where that dust and scratches was coming from. Hoping it wasn't minisicule scratches on the mirror or lens.

Take them back in and ask to speak to the manager. When you show them, I would imagine the reaction will give them away. It may not be where they hang them but how they handle them.

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 05:42 PM

Should I print one, to show them how the photos look? Hopefully they may have a loupe and/or light box. eh?

Luckily, this was just a test roll and not keeper photos. I would certainly be a lot more mad if these were photos I had intended to sell. I'm so mad I can't even use proper grammer or use correct spelling. grrr!!!

Last edited by photolady95; 05-18-2009 at 05:47 PM.

Damn Brit · 05-18-2009, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by photolady

Should I print one, to show them how the photos look? Hopefully they may have a loupe and/or light box. eh?

Luckily, this was just a test roll and not keeper photos. I was certainly be a lot more mad if these were photos I had intended to sell.

Yes print one. Have you held the negs up to the light to see if they are visible?

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 05:53 PM

Yeah, but my eyes don't see that well, so I can't really tell.

Another thing I didn't like what they did to give them to me. They didn't sleeve them, rolled em up and put them in a film canister. Arrgh!!!

K1000_Ron · 05-18-2009, 06:00 PM

If the dust is stuck on the negatives, you could probably soak it off in a tray filled with flowing water, like a photographic rinse tray or in a film processing reel and tank. Before doing so, you should check the film manufacturer's web site for processing instructions to determine if any special chemicals are needed, or if the soaking can be done at all. Also, remember that the wet emulsion on the film is very fragile, so handle with care. The wet negatives should be hung in a dust-free place to dry, but I guess you knew that already!

SOldBear · 05-18-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by photolady

They didn't sleeve them, rolled em up and put them in a film canister.

This is a crime!

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 06:09 PM

It's not just dust, it's scratches also. I held a strip up to the light and I can see scratch lines on the film. Checking, also, I had my sister, who has 20/20 vision and she says she saw the scratches also. If it was just dust, I'd try that. But I think I'll do what Gary said and take the film and a print up to CVS and let the manager have a look see.

And yes, I know about them having to hang in dust free area. I used to process both b/w and color film......back when I had more energy and patience.

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 06:28 PM

Look at this one. This is the first one I saw this way.

geauxpez · 05-18-2009, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by photolady

Look at this one. This is the first one I saw this way.

Ouch. You can use a 50mm prime lens as a good loupe to inspect your film for scratches, dust, etc.

photolady95 · 05-18-2009, 07:02 PM

I know, but at present I don't have a 50mm on hand. I've used these before, too. In fact, I was telling my sister that if I had one of those on hand, I could show her better those scratches. You must have read my mind, geauxpez.

05-18-2009, 04:55 PM	#1
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712	Can't figure out where this is coming from I have this new MZ-7. I shot a 36 exposure roll with it yesterday. There are dust or scratches showing on the scanned film. And I can't figure out where it is coming from. I have cleaned the camera mirrors, I have cleaned the lens glass. I dusted my scanner, and I cleaned the film. Still I get white spots, scratch looking marks on the scans. I'm not a newbie to cameras or film or scanners. I know how to clean them all. So below is a photo with the shown problem. I want to know if any of you have any other suggestions what this could be. Attached Images

05-18-2009, 05:28 PM	#5
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712 Original Poster	I did the scanning Ole. But I thought also, heaven forbid that CVS did this to my film. They do hang them out in the open. I hope they were dry before doing that. If this is the case, you bet I'll find another developer. Wish I had proof. Thanks guys, cause I was racking my brain trying to figure out where that dust and scratches was coming from. Hoping it wasn't minisicule scratches on the mirror or lens. It's not my scanner SOldBear. I scan photos and my other negs without any problems. I use an Epson Perfection 4490 and it has digital ice. SOldBear here is a photo from years ago that I just scanned with my Espon, using no digital ice. As you can see, no dust or scratches. Attached Images Last edited by photolady95; 05-18-2009 at 05:41 PM.

05-18-2009, 06:28 PM	#13
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712 Original Poster	Look at this one. This is the first one I saw this way. Attached Images

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05-18-2009, 05:07 PM	#2
Damn Brit Guest	It could have happened when they were processing the film.

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Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,408	Poor processing or scanning in an environment that isn't dust free.

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SOldBear Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 3,206	What scanner are you using? Does it has some sort of digital ICE? Your scanned image looks like many of my color negatives when scanned with an Epson Perfection 3200 with no digital ICE. Scanning with a Nikon Coolscan V ED with digital ICE 'fixed' 90% of the dust problem.

05-18-2009, 05:31 PM	#6
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by photolady I did the scanning Ole. But I thought also, heave forbid that CVS did this to my film. They do hang them out in the open. I hope they were dry before doing that. If this is the case, you bet I'll find another developer. Wish I had proof. Thanks guys, cause I was racking my brain trying to figure out where that dust and scratches was coming from. Hoping it wasn't minisicule scratches on the mirror or lens. Take them back in and ask to speak to the manager. When you show them, I would imagine the reaction will give them away. It may not be where they hang them but how they handle them.

05-18-2009, 05:42 PM	#7
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712 Original Poster	Should I print one, to show them how the photos look? Hopefully they may have a loupe and/or light box. eh? Luckily, this was just a test roll and not keeper photos. I would certainly be a lot more mad if these were photos I had intended to sell. I'm so mad I can't even use proper grammer or use correct spelling. grrr!!! Last edited by photolady95; 05-18-2009 at 05:47 PM.

05-18-2009, 05:45 PM	#8
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by photolady Should I print one, to show them how the photos look? Hopefully they may have a loupe and/or light box. eh? Luckily, this was just a test roll and not keeper photos. I was certainly be a lot more mad if these were photos I had intended to sell. Yes print one. Have you held the negs up to the light to see if they are visible?

05-18-2009, 05:53 PM	#9
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712 Original Poster	Yeah, but my eyes don't see that well, so I can't really tell. Another thing I didn't like what they did to give them to me. They didn't sleeve them, rolled em up and put them in a film canister. Arrgh!!!

05-18-2009, 06:00 PM	#10
K1000_Ron New Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Maryland, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 16	If the dust is stuck on the negatives, you could probably soak it off in a tray filled with flowing water, like a photographic rinse tray or in a film processing reel and tank. Before doing so, you should check the film manufacturer's web site for processing instructions to determine if any special chemicals are needed, or if the soaking can be done at all. Also, remember that the wet emulsion on the film is very fragile, so handle with care. The wet negatives should be hung in a dust-free place to dry, but I guess you knew that already!

05-18-2009, 06:09 PM	#11
SOldBear Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 3,206	Originally posted by photolady They didn't sleeve them, rolled em up and put them in a film canister. This is a crime!

05-18-2009, 06:09 PM	#12
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712 Original Poster	It's not just dust, it's scratches also. I held a strip up to the light and I can see scratch lines on the film. Checking, also, I had my sister, who has 20/20 vision and she says she saw the scratches also. If it was just dust, I'd try that. But I think I'll do what Gary said and take the film and a print up to CVS and let the manager have a look see. And yes, I know about them having to hang in dust free area. I used to process both b/w and color film......back when I had more energy and patience.

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05-18-2009, 06:49 PM	#14
geauxpez Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,196	Originally posted by photolady Look at this one. This is the first one I saw this way. Ouch. You can use a 50mm prime lens as a good loupe to inspect your film for scratches, dust, etc.

05-18-2009, 07:02 PM	#15
photolady95 Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cruising the forum watching his back Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,712 Original Poster	I know, but at present I don't have a 50mm on hand. I've used these before, too. In fact, I was telling my sister that if I had one of those on hand, I could show her better those scratches. You must have read my mind, geauxpez.