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05-17-2007, 08:16 AM   #1
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Help the newbie with a K1000 problem!

I have a K1000 that my daughter is using for a photography class. I've had the camera since it was new in the '80's and really haven't used it a whole bunch. It has always worked fine until this year when she started using B&W film. It doens't seem to advance the film very well. I've opened it up and the feed dogs don't look worn at all and appears to be working fine. When I hold my finger on the winding spool and crank the film advance lever I am able to stop it from it from moving. Not sure if that's normal or does that mean it's wearing out. It has a good bit of pull but I can stop it with my finger while winding. Do you think that is the problem? I also wondered if the B&W film is just much stiffer than the normal 200 speed color film I usually use??? Maybe she is just not getting it held in the spool well and the stiffness is causing it to not track well and come undone?? Any ideas? Thanks!!

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Is she using commercially wound film, or does she (or the instructor) load the cassettes? I recall bulk loaded film on reused cassettes as being different, possibly a little stiffer, than what you'd get off the shelf. If the film advance mechanism is getting a little tired, that might explain why it can advance the usual colour film but not b&w. It does still advance colour film, does it?

Aside from that, I can only suggest being super-careful loading the film to make absolutely certain it's well attached to the take-up (I've made that mistake - "Hey, I've taken 47 exposures, that can't be right!") and well seated on the teeth. I always used to take up the slack in the film with the advance lever before closing the back, again the result of a "Why haven't I run out of film yet?" moment! Those K1000s are wonderful old workhorses, I must get mine out again.

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I do not own a K1000 , however I tried to hold back the winding spol on my MX with my finger while winding, and there was no slippage. I think the camere needs a little TLC.
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It's commercially wound Kodiac film (not sure of the number) - not rolling their own. I'm afraid it might be getting tired. Do you know if that's a hard thing to repair? I've never tried to open up that part of the camera before and don't know any local camera repair places - I'd have to mail it off. Thanks!

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FYI, this is a site that does Pentax repair. Home
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Just a thought. Use a spare roll and try winding with the back open (you may need to hold the film cartridge in position). See if there is anything untowards happening.

I have a K1000 and similar cameras and I have not seen any issues in this department. Double check how you are loading the film. Make sure the feed goes under the take up spool when wound. If you don't have the manual it is freely available on line.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mguidry Quote
I have a K1000 that my daughter is using for a photography class. I've had the camera since it was new in the '80's and really haven't used it a whole bunch. It has always worked fine until this year when she started using B&W film. It doens't seem to advance the film very well. I've opened it up and the feed dogs don't look worn at all and appears to be working fine. When I hold my finger on the winding spool and crank the film advance lever I am able to stop it from it from moving. Not sure if that's normal or does that mean it's wearing out. It has a good bit of pull but I can stop it with my finger while winding. Do you think that is the problem? I also wondered if the B&W film is just much stiffer than the normal 200 speed color film I usually use??? Maybe she is just not getting it held in the spool well and the stiffness is causing it to not track well and come undone?? Any ideas? Thanks!!
Normal It's a 'friction' driven spool. It can/must be able to rotate at a different rate than the geared spool.

Good-this 'feed-dog' spool is directly coupled to the advance lever

Without film check the pair of silver tracks for roughness. Check the small spindle on the door-is should rotate freely; check the pressure plate on the door-it should be smooth-faced and springy when depressed slightly. Check the re-wind for free movement. Look for foreign matter.

The tapered leader goes into the slot on the right-most friction driven take-up spool. Advance the film until both 'feed-dog' gears engage the film top and bottom-the friction spool will loosely wind-up the film. Close door. Advance to first frame.

Sometimes one would use the rewind crank to tighten the roll=>rewind without releasing the advance mechanism. If this is done, it should be allowed to free rotate to remove some of the tension. During film/frame advance there is significant 'drag' from the mechanism and additional drag from the film; it should NOT feel like anything might break, but the friction is significant.

To notice the difference in film 'thickness' from the advancing mechanism would require years of practice and a bit of luck. The only thick film remaining might be Efke-and it slides through both of my K1000s without noticeable difference as compared to color film, slide film or B&W. Properly wound 'bulk-loaded' film should offer no significant difficulties either.
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Thanks so much for all the good advice. I looked at it again last night and when the lever is cranked, the small spool with the feed dogs teeth move at the same rate ast the lever and I can't stop that spool with my finger. That tells me that as long as the film is loaded properly it should be forced to feed onto right side spool even if it doesn't have a great deal of torque...right? I could only see a couple tiny screw heads on the top of the camera body so I didn't dare try getting to the inside of the camera to see if the friction wheel was worn. That's also great advice about winding a full roll with the door open to see what is happening - worth the price of a cheap roll of film just to see.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mguidry Quote
It doens't seem to advance the film very well. ... It has a good bit of pull but I can stop it with my finger while winding. Do you think that is the problem?(

Could you describe how it is not advancing very well? Do the frames overlap? Or does it require good amount of force on the lever to get it to advance? Do you hear slipping gears or have sprocket tears?

As explained earlier, the slipping of the winding spool is correct and necessary. But sometime the friction clutch gets sticky which cause a difficulty in advancing the film because it does not give easily enough. It is set to spin slightly faster and if it doesn't give easily, a tension will develop. A simple cleaning of the interior clutch usually fixes the problem (but must be done by a camera technician).

Self wound film can be stiffer to advance as well. But not because of the film thickness but because of wear on the film cannister. Try using a good quality new film cannister and see if it helps.
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It's somewhat difficult to load the film correctly in the K-series of cameras. Make sure to advance the film so that both sets of perforations engage with the cog wheels before closing the camera. Then when advancing the film the first couple of frames check that the rewind crank turns. If it doesn't then the film isn't properly loaded and needs to be reloaded.
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I really think I have your answer .... see below

OK, I had a very similar thing happen with an Olympus (piece of $%^), after depressing the rewind button, and rewinding the film, the rewind button did not fully spring back, therefor allowing slippage only when tension was put on the spindle. As any film guy knows this button allows this take up spindle to free wheel for the rewind, it will if not fully returned to the position allow it to keep freewheeling. With my Olympus it was a matter of visually verifying that it was fully returned to position, and if not, helping it with a push, perhaps if that is the problem a little cleaning on the button, and a drop or two of lubricant.
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I may be able to give more info on what the camera is doing later this week. I've loaded another roll of film in it and my daughter is taking pics and we're monitoring it. She tells me she thought it was loaded correctly but when she's finished the roll and goes to develop it there is nothing on the film or just a few pics on the film. I thought it was mostly just her being 13 and having no patience and either not loading the film properly or zipping the film advance lever 100mph and making it misfeed but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt and see if any of you knew of other reasons it might be doing this. Pushing the rewind release button COULD be happening inadvertantly - good point. You know .... when you're 13 and using dad's "antique" K-1000 and all the other kids have brand new ones - sometimes the old camera "doesn't work right". Thanks for all the good advice...I'll keep you posted.
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Get her to be part of the Forum! She would learn a lot about what is real verses what is just image. I think the forum would help her understand she will be getting an education with the K1000 that a PRO would appreciate.

And have her post her shots so we can give her some positive re-inforcement and professional critique. Where else would one have access to direct professional advise?
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