Quote: What I meant was ; Is a newcommer to DSLR with basic knowlege about handling a DSLR (aperture, esposure, focals, auto and manual focus...etc) and common knowlege about digital photography ( file format, memory cards, USB, HDMI, battery, zoom, etc....) better to enter the DSLR "world" with an entry level camera as the K-x (and get kit lenses 18-55 and 55-300, with bag, tripod, memory card) or go all the way in with a K-7 (with one kit lens, a bag and a memory card) ? Price is a factor, and I have ±1500$ to spend, but would like to spend less because 15004 is a strech for me. So to go to that amout MUST be worth the money for me. ANd sinceit will be my first DSLR, I am unsure that i need the extra stuff that the K-7 has ( I must admit that weathrseal and battery are big pluses for the K-7)
OK, let me try this once more.
It's mainly about the money
A camera is a bit like a musical instrument. And no matter what you're level of ability as a musician, it is ALWAYS better to play a good instrument than a bad or mediocre one. The main consideration then, is not "Am I ready for that instrument?" but "Can I afford it?", or perhaps more often it comes down to, "Can I justify spending that much money on it?"
The distinctions between starter cameras, prosumer cameras, pro cameras, and so on, are nothing more than marketing b.s. A Nikon D3X costing thousands of dollars does not magically take better photos than a Pentax K-x that costs a fraction of that. There are some differences between the sensors, yes, but they're not nearly as important as you think. When you spend more money on a camera, you don't necessarily get better photos. You just get a better photo-taking tool. I've mentioned already the two e-dials on the K10D/K20D and K-7. VERY useful to photographers who take a lot of photos and who shoot manual or at least want to stay in control of the camera. I shoot 700 photos in a few hours at a wedding. I'd hate to do it with a camera that didn't have 2 e-dials. The K20D is weather-sealed, better built. You can make focus adjustments for particular lenses. Hyperprogram mode on the K10D/K20D (and K-7) is a bit of genius in my opinion - not found on the less expensive Pentax models. I could go on. But does the K20D TAKE BETTER PHOTOS? No, not really. The sensor might have some advantages over previous models. But they're not nearly as important as we make them out to be. You can buy a K20D body today for about $700. Just a few years ago, a camera with the K20D's features would have cost thousands and thousands of dollars - and would have been purchased only by top pros. And a year or two before that, it wasn't available at any price.
So - don't think that the K20D is NECESSARY. It's not. There are some terrific photographers in this forum working with "old" *ist-generation DSLRs that (gasp!) don't even have shake reduction. Somehow they manage to take fabulous photos with them.
SO now it sounds as if I'm steering you away from the K20D. But I'm not. I might be steering you away from the K-7, because you probably can't afford it right now. (I can't either: rather spend my money for lenses.) But the K20D right now is a special case: you can get one for almost the same price as an "entry-level" Pentax camera. On Amazon.com tonight, you can get a K20D with a decent kit lens (the newer 18-55) for almost exactly the same price as the K-x. The K-x comes with TWO lenses, true. But the 50-200 isn't such a special lens as to make a huge difference to the package.
Still, money matters! You can buy a K2000 for a little over $500. And have some money to spend on lenses.
Will the K20D overwhelm a newbie? Absolutely not. It's nonsense to say that it will. The only thing you need to worry about overwhelming is your budget.
You can't be SURE you're doing the right thing
When I bought my first DSLR - and I was not a newbie then, just new to digital SLRs - the K10D had just come out. I bought a K100D with the kit lens and the 50-200. Within a few months, I'd sold the K100D and both of the lenses and purchased a K10D and some other new lens (can't remember what it was - perhaps the 16-45 f/4). It would have been less costly to buy the K10D in the first place. But I didn't yet know what I was doing or why.
You can't really go wrong - but you can't be sure of getting it right, either! You won't really know what you want or need until you've tried different things. Unless you're spectacularly lucky.
Buy the body only
I suggest you consider buying the camera body only. Me personally, I will never buy another kit lens. Every camera I buy in the future will be body only. If it doesn't come body only, I won't buy it. The kit lenses aren't BAD. But almost the entire reason to buy a DSLR is to get good lenses. And kit lenses aren't really good. I'd rather shoot with a K-x and (say) a Pentax 40 limited or a Pentax 16-45, than shoot with the new K-7 and the kit lens.
If you buy the body only, it's not such a big deal what you buy. The K20D would be nice. But the K-x is very nice, too. And you can find the K200D - a fine camera - for even less. There are differences between them. If you want video, too, then it's easy: get the K-x. The problem is, I don't know if the K-x is available body only.
Lenses
Anyway, so now you've got a body. What lens do you buy??? That's really the important question. I have some suggestions.
- Pentax DA 40 f/2.4 limited. If I had to live with just 1 lens, this might be it. It's not THE greatest lens ever made, but it's one of the best. Small, quick, perfect focal length. But of course it's a prime....
- Tamron 28-75 f/2.8. Outstanding lens and has the advantage of being a constant aperture and fast (f/2.8).
- Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5 macro. About as good a lens as the Tamron just mentioned, and wider. Only draw back is that it's not a constant f/2.8 throughout the zoom range. Still it's a better lens than the Pentax kit lens. By the way, the Sigma 17-70 is one of the best bargains in this list.
- Pentax 16-45 f/4. Excellent zoom lens, very nice wide, and constant aperture. Only drawback is that f/4 isn't terribly fast, so if you plan to shoot in low light a lot this may not be the best choice, and it's not so good for portraiture either. But if you shoot mainly in pretty good light - say if you are traveling to the country and want to take great pictures of the mountains or lakes - this is a terrific lens, and again, a very fine replacement for the kit lens. (Personally, as a general purpose lens, I think I like the Sigma 17-70 more than the Pentax 16-45.)
- Pentax 18-250 (or the Sigma, or the Tamron). All of these seem to be at least as good as the kit lens within the same range, and of course they have all that telephoto capability as a bonus.
I could go on. I need to warn you about something - and I'm quite serious now. You hear jokes about "LBA" (lens buying addiction). These are actually not jokes - LBA is a serious problem. If you can buy 1 camera and 1 lens and be happy, well, God bless you and please forgive my impertinence in attempting to give advice. But you should be aware that an awful lot of us buy the camera and very quickly realize that the cost of the camera was nothing compared to what we end up spending on lenses. If you were really smart, you might buy the cheapest body you could buy, and then spend your money on lenses.
So you see what I'm doing. You asked about the bodies. I'm coming back at you about lenses. Sorry.
And good luck!
Will