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01-23-2010, 09:14 PM   #1
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If you knew someone that was going to be starting school for a degree in photography soon, what equipment would you recommend?

Let's also say, that said person is interested in birding, chipmunks and other quickly moving wildlife.

Is the lack of weather proofing on the K-x pretty bad compared to the average point and shoot?

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I think the K-X would be a good starting camera, but "said person's" school might possibly prefer a film camera for the first few efforts. In any event, the school will require a camera with manual settings available - such as your K-X. "Said person" would not be ready for birding, etc. until he/she is totally familiar with how a camera reacts to the situations. It's tricky! Ask me - I've been the relatively happy owner of a 400mm lens for over 20 years, and am still learning how to use it.
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I think the K-X would be a good starting camera, but "said person's" school might possibly prefer a film camera for the first few efforts. In any event, the school will require a camera with manual settings available - such as your K-X. "Said person" would not be ready for birding, etc. until he/she is totally familiar with how a camera reacts to the situations. It's tricky! Ask me - I've been the relatively happy owner of a 400mm lens for over 20 years, and am still learning how to use it.
Well, the K-x is what helped bring me to looking deeper into Pentax.


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Schools may have camera requirements. They may not make sense, but if the instructor only wants to teach the course using one brand/type of camera, that may be what you have to buy. So check that out first.

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The Kx makes a great starter camera but, like Al says, whether or not a digital camera is a prerequisite for the school remains to be established: many photography schools, especially where beginners are concerned, use film bodies. If a DSLR is okay, then the Kx, currently available in a two lens kit (covering 18mm to 300mm) as low as $660 @ Amazon would be a great idea--it is hard to imagine you beating a package like that. The longer lens of the kit, the 55-300mm, would allow said person to shoot some wildlife shots too. Also, the nice ISO performance of the Kx would allow for those longer shutter speeds normally associated with longer lens shooting and wildlife. Best!
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Schools may have camera requirements. They may not make sense, but if the instructor only wants to teach the course using one brand/type of camera, that may be what you have to buy. So check that out first.
The info I got says a dSLR at least 6 mp and shoot RAW.
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Then you're all set

QuoteOriginally posted by winterstar Quote
The info I got says a dSLR at least 6 mp and shoot RAW.
The Kx will certainly fill that requirement. For Years, the requirement of film schools has been a full manual film camera such as the K1000. You may still be asked to pick one up. The reason being, is the camera does nothing for you except capture light on film. You must do all the thinking before the shot is made. With a DSLR, you have some room for error and afterthought. RAW is basically a digital negative in file form. The files are different for each brand and each camera. The information contained in them is what the photo is generated from. The RAW file is NOT in itself a photo (which you will learn in your class).

Don't worry about birding lenses and the such right now. You can pick up a kit with the camera, an 18-55 and a 55-300 lenses for under $800 (US), or much less with minimal hunting. That and a good SD card should be all you need for success in your class.

Good luck..
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A different approach. Look at a K100D/K200D/K10D. The reason for the first two is that they have a DOF preview knob which can be useful for the classes; the Kx does not as far as I know). The latter has (next to DOF preview) dual dials which comes in handy during manual exposure. Over here I still can get a new K200D (slightly more expensive than the Kx) and a new K10D (around 20% more expensive than the Kx). You can also look at refurbished cameras for this.

It's just a thought.

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QuoteOriginally posted by winterstar Quote
If you knew someone that was going to be starting school for a degree in photography soon, what equipment would you recommend?
Are they going to photography school to be a professional photographer? Since Canon and Nikon are the only ones with a profession service support network, and that most rental places will only carry lenses and bodies for Nikon and Canon, would it be better to go in one of those two directions?

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QuoteOriginally posted by sterretje Quote
A different approach. Look at a K100D/K200D/K10D. The reason for the first two is that they have a DOF preview knob which can be useful for the classes; the Kx does not as far as I know). The latter has (next to DOF preview) dual dials which comes in handy during manual exposure. Over here I still can get a new K200D (slightly more expensive than the Kx) and a new K10D (around 20% more expensive than the Kx). You can also look at refurbished cameras for this.
The K-x isn't quite so bad. It provides both optical and digital previews through the green button. Digital preview allows you to zoom in and even save the preview if you like.

In manual mode, you hold down the EV button to switch the dial to aperture, then release and it's back to shutter. It's really only a disadvantage to Vulcans, who have the mental capacity to adjust both dials at the same time.
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A different approach. Look at a K100D/K200D/K10D. The reason for the first two is that they have a DOF preview knob which can be useful for the classes; the Kx does not as far as I know). The latter has (next to DOF preview) dual dials which comes in handy during manual exposure. Over here I still can get a new K200D (slightly more expensive than the Kx) and a new K10D (around 20% more expensive than the Kx). You can also look at refurbished cameras for this.

It's just a thought.
ok, will look.

QuoteOriginally posted by Russell-Evans Quote
Are they going to photography school to be a professional photographer? Since Canon and Nikon are the only ones with a profession service support network, and that most rental places will only carry lenses and bodies for Nikon and Canon, would it be better to go in one of those two directions?

Thank you
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Well, since I'm said student, I would like to get into fine art prints as well as portraits. I was looking at Canon's. I also looked at Oympus. (I've previously used BenQ and Canon for P&S.)

And what do you mean by "profession service support network?"

QuoteOriginally posted by Graystar Quote
The K-x isn't quite so bad. It provides both optical and digital previews through the green button. Digital preview allows you to zoom in and even save the preview if you like.

In manual mode, you hold down the EV button to switch the dial to aperture, then release and it's back to shutter. It's really only a disadvantage to Vulcans, who have the mental capacity to adjust both dials at the same time.
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And what do you mean by "profession service support network?"
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QuoteOriginally posted by sterretje Quote
Over here I still can get a new K200D (slightly more expensive than the Kx) and a new K10D (around 20% more expensive than the Kx). You can also look at refurbished cameras for this.

It's just a thought.
These two cameras are fine choices for your purposes - the K200D using AA batteries (if that's your thing) and the K10D using proprietary Li-ion batteries. Both are weather sealed and have a decent array of features.

But you can get both used for a fraction of the cost of a new K-x - a K10D can be found around the marketplace once in a while for around $300.
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