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03-31-2010, 07:40 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by aerodave Quote
But that M lens didn't have an asterisk on it...it had a green star. All "star" lenses used five-pointed stars as part of their labeling. The *ist series of film and digital SLRs, however, used an actual asterisk as part of the name.

RolloR was the first to point that out here in this thread, but his comment seemed to go unnoticed.

The name "asterisk" is from the Latin word asteriscum which means "little star." It was chosen because it resembles a star and many computer scientists and mathematicians pronounced it as "star." It is also used as a "wild card" symbol. If you will look, you will see I put it in bold blue in my post since putting an actual star in the text in this boxes is a challenge.

Edit: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Asterisk


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You're not telling me anything I don't know. But the fact remains that a five-pointed star and a six-pointed asterisk aren't exactly the same thing. They are clearly used differently on the Pentax products in question (i.e. the *ist bodies clearly have a six-pointed asterisk printed on them, while the M*, A*, FA*, and DA* lenses all have five-pointed stars on them...convenient typographical convention to use asterisks here on the Internet notwithstanding).
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QuoteOriginally posted by aerodave Quote
You're not telling me anything I don't know. But the fact remains that a five-pointed star and a six-pointed asterisk aren't exactly the same thing. They are clearly used differently on the Pentax products in question (i.e. the *ist bodies clearly have a six-pointed asterisk printed on them, while the M*, A*, FA*, and DA* lenses all have five-pointed stars on them...convenient typographical convention to use asterisks here on the Internet notwithstanding).

Apparently you didn't know that the asterisk was derived from the Latin for "little star" and that its been used an pronounced in math as "star." That is significant in this discussion. Its about the pronunciation and significance. I'm betting that the lens engineers etc. used math etc.


Edit: And for the record, rollor's earlier post did not point out that the M lens had a green 5 pt star on it or that any other lens had a star on it.
What he said was:
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Pentax Asteriskist? Certainly not a star lol

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QuoteOriginally posted by aerodave Quote
the fact remains that a five-pointed star and a six-pointed asterisk aren't exactly the same thing ...convenient typographical convention to use asterisks here on the Internet notwithstanding
#me

Did I just say "number me" or "pound me"?

Asterisks had a special meaning on computers long before the net grew. And with the rise of Unix (long before LinusT) as the defacto OS standard, special care must be taken with use of certain typographical symbols, especially star and backslash. Online commerce and marketing has been significant since at least 1995. If I'd introduced a product called i\da*s (I backslash the stars) 15 years ago, it would have sunk without a trace, not because it's a DUMB name (which it is) but because it's a *nix-hostile name.

Character sets used on computers contain a variety of symbols and codes, many more than are visible on a 101-char keyboard. The defacto standard ASCII set has 128 basic codes, various other extended subsets of 128, and provision for thousands more. Some are control codes, some alphanumerics and other typographicals; many of the extended subsets contain graphics characters and math and monetary symbols and non-English alphabetics. Those extensions have become more-or-less standardized, but they're still not easy to access via keyboard without a cheat sheet.

So let's say I design an extended subset with heart, club, spade, diamond, various triangles, 5-point star, geometric shapes for building block graphics, music symbols, even sounds. Ah, sounds. Now I could specify a product name that includes a musical phrase and special sounds, like (do-re-mi)KEWL!(tweet)(flashing star). And I can embed that subset in a webpage, and that special-effect product name will manifest quite nicely -- but just try googling for it, eh?

That's the problem with trying to embed a graphic symbol (5-point star) into a name that will be rendered alphanumerically as a typographic symbol (asterisk) which has a special, restricted meaning to operating systems and search engines. It's bad enough to embed graphics that can't be easily entered from a keyboard, like triangles and music notes and card suits. But to embed the wildcard? Oy.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RioRico Quote
#me

Did I just say "number me" or "pound me"?

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depends on the name of the club *rim shot*
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clearly the dumb*ist thread I have seen
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clearly the dumb*ist thread I have seen
Good one! I think there are a couple in the "News & Rumors" that probably beat it out though.
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Good one! I think there are a couple in the "News & Rumors" that probably beat it out though.
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clearly the dumb*ist thread I have seen
And it's all my fault!

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Nah it's not your fault. This has been a topic of frustration since the first digital SLR camera was introduced. We have seen the Canikon guys making fun of the admittedly silly name. You can't search the name easily and how the heck do you pronounce it? I owned one for awhile and called it a "Pentax First" for lack a pronounceable model number. K-x or K-7 is so much easier.

Pentax has always been known for a marketing dept that drives long time users, nuts.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Peter Zack Quote
Nah it's not your fault. This has been a topic of frustration since the first digital SLR camera was introduced. We have seen the Canikon guys making fun of the admittedly silly name. You can't search the name easily and how the heck do you pronounce it? I owned one for awhile and called it a "Pentax First" for lack a pronounceable model number. K-x or K-7 is so much easier.

Pentax has always been known for a marketing dept that drives long time users, nuts.
I own your 'Pentax First', great camera that one.
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We have seen the Canikon guys making fun of the admittedly silly name.
Silly name, Peter? At least we don't have a camera called "Rebel"! The average entry level Canon user carrying the plastic camera is probably not exactly the school book definition of a rebel. And aren't the same Canons named "Kiss" in Japan? Won't even start...
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QuoteOriginally posted by emr Quote
Silly name, Peter? At least we don't have a camera called "Rebel"! The average entry level Canon user carrying the plastic camera is probably not exactly the school book definition of a rebel. And aren't the same Canons named "Kiss" in Japan? Won't even start...
Highly paid teams of marketing specialists, trend analysts, logo creators etc, are hired to evaluate the cultures of target markets, and come up with the best product names and advertising slogans. Thus we had the Chevy Nova (in Spanish, No Va means No Go). And "Come Alive, You're In The Pepsi Generation" translated to Malay said, "Pepsi brings yours ancestors back from the dead".

Rebel, my ass. Kiss, my ass. Is there some country where it's called the Poke?
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