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05-17-2010, 08:45 AM   #1
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Holy #%!* Live View

Ok I will say this, I always thought live view was a gimmick that I had not used since I got my k20d. I found it to have poor response, you couldn't auto focus and the screen wasn't all that nice. That is until I had a revelation.

This weekend I was shooting some flowers with my reversed smc-m 50mm f/2 and I had trouble focusing (with this setup you basically have to sway back and forth to focus....or buy bellows!). I also wanted to be able to get the camera at an angle my body could not so I turned on Live View and wow! Focusing was actually pretty easy as long as wind wasn't affecting the object.

So yeah, turns out live view is extremely useful for hand held macro. Just so the thread isn't boring, here is a picture I took with this setup



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Live View is one of those things, like so many "gimmicks", that can be very useful in the right circumstances. But a lot of people rail against it like you're being forced to use it or something. I rarely use it, but I find it indispensible when I do.

I think a great example is the "Auto" setting for autofocus point selection. I, like many people, mostly use the center-point-and-recompose method. Sometimes I manually select a different spot when it suits me. I (almost) never have a use for the green "Auto" mode, and find it to do more harm than good in most cases.

Now, if I were like *some* people, I could rant about it and say "What a stupid feature...I wish my camera didn't have it at all!" Or I could take the sensible approach that sometimes the feature I don't usually need can become the perfect tool for the job. Case in point: once a year I use Auto AF points to great advantage at the air show. With an airplane against a clear blue sky, auto points let you compose however you want and not worry about where the selected focus point is. After all, there's nothing else in the frame to fool the camera. So once a year, a feature that I think is a stupid waste of time and takes control away from the photographer becomes the best thing to get the job done.

And I think Live View is much the same kind of thing. You never have to use it, but if you don't recognize that sometimes it's the only practical way to get the job done, you're missing out. For critical focusing macro shots, or for times when you need the camera above your head or down on the ground, it's hard to say the optical viewfinder is better.
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Very well said Dave .
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Live view is indeed extremely useful; for macro, with or without a tripod. It's also useful for overhead shots, many things relative to tripods, etc.

Coming (two years ago) from the digicam world, I learned to use Live View before using a viewfinder. Maybe that's why I "get" live view more easily than some.

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I always use live view for macro on my K20. Have you tried zooming the screen? Although the image on the LCD gets quite grainy, I find it helps my focus. I tested a K7 and found the screen resolution to be amazing when zoomed in.

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Thanks for the info.
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QuoteOriginally posted by aerodave Quote
Live View is one of those things, like so many "gimmicks", that can be very useful in the right circumstances. But a lot of people rail against it like you're being forced to use it or something. I rarely use it, but I find it indispensible when I do.

I think a great example is the "Auto" setting for autofocus point selection. I, like many people, mostly use the center-point-and-recompose method. Sometimes I manually select a different spot when it suits me. I (almost) never have a use for the green "Auto" mode, and find it to do more harm than good in most cases.

Now, if I were like *some* people, I could rant about it and say "What a stupid feature...I wish my camera didn't have it at all!" Or I could take the sensible approach that sometimes the feature I don't usually need can become the perfect tool for the job. Case in point: once a year I use Auto AF points to great advantage at the air show. With an airplane against a clear blue sky, auto points let you compose however you want and not worry about where the selected focus point is. After all, there's nothing else in the frame to fool the camera. So once a year, a feature that I think is a stupid waste of time and takes control away from the photographer becomes the best thing to get the job done.

And I think Live View is much the same kind of thing. You never have to use it, but if you don't recognize that sometimes it's the only practical way to get the job done, you're missing out. For critical focusing macro shots, or for times when you need the camera above your head or down on the ground, it's hard to say the optical viewfinder is better.
I wonder if people will complain if mirror box + lcd + optical viewfinder is removed and replaced with a tiltable and rotating 3x magnification EVF with 1920x1200 resolution and manual focus enlargement...

(GH1s EVF is already almost as high as the one in the Canon 1Ds:
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LV makes my manual focus lenses actually useful!

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I guess im slightly different

Since I don't want a split prism focusing screen to block my view when shooting macro's, manual focusing lenses like the M 85mm wideopen is quite a challenge with the stock screen. Therefore, liveview is indispensable to me for using my old glass, or if shooting in low light.

(I never use liveview for macro's because of the delay between clicking the shutter and when the actual picture is taken. That 1/2 second is crucial as the subjects I shoot don't sit still long, and generally move, if even slightly out of focus when the actual exposure is taken. )

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I like how AeroDave described the anti-feature movement.

I recall when WordPerfect came out for MS-DOS. People complained, "It has too many features"

If you don't like a feature don't use it, maybe complain about it, but don't tell others they should not be allowed to use it.

BTW: I use Auto ISO most of the time, Spot Focus all the time, Full Auto Green Mode most of the time for my K100D. If I don't like the result I use the auto settings as a starting point for manual. It saves time over going blindly into manual.

If I had Live View I'd happily use it on occasion. Especially for awkward angles and astro.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Lazaruscomeout Quote
Have you tried zooming the screen?
I heard you could do this, but when I was out the other day, I tried it, and couldn't get it to work. Does it work with older lenses? (M42 Tak) Something you need to turn on in the menu?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ken T Quote
Very well said Dave .
Indeed! This is a very interesting thread. I've never used either live view (or green mode or video or a bunch of other options) partly because I'm still trying to master the basics but also because I never understood what useful purpose they served. Specific examples like this are really very helpful.
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I use Live View and Zoom in for my M 50mm f2 from mu K-7. Also my other lenses, too. Live View helps better. Smile
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QuoteOriginally posted by aerodave Quote
Live View is one of those things, like so many "gimmicks", that can be very useful in the right circumstances. But a lot of people rail against it like you're being forced to use it or something. I rarely use it, but I find it indispensible when I do.

I think a great example is the "Auto" setting for autofocus point selection. I, like many people, mostly use the center-point-and-recompose method. Sometimes I manually select a different spot when it suits me. I (almost) never have a use for the green "Auto" mode, and find it to do more harm than good in most cases.

Now, if I were like *some* people, I could rant about it and say "What a stupid feature...I wish my camera didn't have it at all!" Or I could take the sensible approach that sometimes the feature I don't usually need can become the perfect tool for the job. Case in point: once a year I use Auto AF points to great advantage at the air show. With an airplane against a clear blue sky, auto points let you compose however you want and not worry about where the selected focus point is. After all, there's nothing else in the frame to fool the camera. So once a year, a feature that I think is a stupid waste of time and takes control away from the photographer becomes the best thing to get the job done.

And I think Live View is much the same kind of thing. You never have to use it, but if you don't recognize that sometimes it's the only practical way to get the job done, you're missing out. For critical focusing macro shots, or for times when you need the camera above your head or down on the ground, it's hard to say the optical viewfinder is better.

I may be a little slow, but recently it just occurred to me how I could EASILY turn my K-7 into a fancy point and shoot just by turning it to green mode and hitting the live view button before I hand my camera off for the obligatory "guy and girlfriend in front of something" vacation shots. If there's a better way to flip so quickly between my person settings and point and shoot mode, I couldn't imagine what it is.
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In general, I would never use Live View, looking through the lens is the only way to get a true representation of what the camera is looking at, and I tell all my customers the same thing (if you get a job offer as a dslr specialist, take it! The staff discount on everything is amazing!) Anyway, there are times when LV is the only solution. I stage a lot of shots for macro and conceptual photography and I'm often using manual lenses or extension tubes. LV is excellent here, I can nail the focus point exactly and by zooming in on the screen, I can make sure I have the most razor sharp result possible.

You can get the same result without the LV but you may have to take several shots to get everything the way you like it, the ability to zoom in on the screen cuts down the fail rate big time!
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