Originally posted by wildman Bird shots and natural vs flash - something to consider:
I never use a flash.
I'm taking more than just a picture of the bare bird but also the natural habitat it's found in. An integral part of that habitat is the lighting the bird is normally found in.
Many birds are deep woods birds like warblers and the thrushes and I want to preserve the ambiance of their habitat but flash destroys that.
I use very long slow glass and shot often in low light situations.
One method that I use is to shoot in continuous mode. You would be surprised that often out a series of rapid fire shots two or three are often sharp even when shooting at 1/15 or 1/30. But I always shoot with a tripod.
Also you could use either separately or in combination with the above a NR program. I have gone out to 3200 with my K20 using DeNoise with decent results.
I don't want to start a debate over flash vs natural light. If you are satisfied with your flash pics of birds fine - I was not.
A few of my low natural light shots. The last one was taken at ISO3200 with a K20 and run through DeNoise.
I too like the natural habitat/environment when taking birds pics.
Of course, what I was asking at the beginning was "another" way to properly expose in a very unfriendly lighting situation: dark, deep mature coniferous forest where the kinglets unmistakingly "hide" in the deepest spots possible on and in between the branches. Plus, those birds are VERY small and camouflage well with their habitat.
I noticed that even if the birds you "shot" were partly obscured with branches and leaves, you still had a fair anount of good light.
I admit never really pushed the ISO beyond 1600-2000 because of the resulting noise issues. I did try a couple of shots at 2000-2500 over the past few days and I find that NoisewarePro handles the noise in an acceptable manner, certainly not as well, seemingly, as you show here using DeNoise.
I have resolved that DeNoise ought to be my next purchase if I am going to push ISO that way, also considering that I have decided to push it as well with the K7. Now, that is a different story.
Thanks for the input ... great shots you have.
JP