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07-08-2010, 07:43 PM   #31
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HERE'S THE K-7 BABY!!!! If this doesn't inspire you nothing will.

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QuoteOriginally posted by axl Quote
just few notes from me:
Improved AWB: no sound photog will use AWB, when in matters us custom or preset and tweak it, besides K-x leans towards magenta hue while K10 more towards yellow/cyan, I prefer K10 but that's personal.... and I shoot RAW, always.
=no real advantage IMO
I think this is a rather broad questionable assertion. The fact is that you can't use the K10D's AWB because it was so terrible! That is my point. Shooting RAW is IMO not a saving grace. It is a forced necessity. Perhaps, one doesn't want to shoot RAW and process every image. Moreover, your point as it is in no way diminishes the fact that the Kx has improved AWB. It is an advantage to many and a clear improvement over the K10. (even if you don't want to use it.) This is a hugh advantage for many particularly those the Kx targets.
Don't forget that when you shoot RAW the image you see on the LCD and make further adjustments is generated from whatever default WB and is a JPEG file. It is also the WB setting used in decoding the RAW file.

Metering with manual, I'll give you that, it's improved but you can't install split screen, and the VF is smaller and dimmer, although you can use LV (which I really dislike on DSLRs) and besides, if you know your lenses, metering won't be huge issue, especially in M mode...
= no real advantage IMO
As noted above, you can.
Increase in FPS: I never felt need for more than 3fps. But K10 has bigger buffer (9RAW/unlimited JPGS vs 5RAW/17 JPGs). If you want K-x to match the buffer performance, it only shoots 2fps!
= no real advantage IMO
I won't argue this because I don't often need high burst rates. Some do which is why I included this. Though, I would think that it would matter most how many shots you can capture within say a second at a time. Not for how many minutes you can hold your shutter down. I mean, I need a new hobby if I'm out taking shots and in one moment need greater than 17 jpgs or even 5 RAW shots continuous to capture my vision for a scene. It is nice to be able to capture the kids at play with eyes open. For this, the faster FPS might help me.
Much better high ISO: well, I'm not going to argue on that one. K-x is way better. On the other hand, it's native ISO is 200 so you are loosing stop of light when trying to do long exposures ("expanding ISO to 100 lowers the dynamic range AFAIK) and in good light, up to 400 K10 easily delivers as much detail as K-x
= the high ISO is a big advantage, but if you need low ISO, I'd keep K10D
The rest of it is really personal opinion, but dual wheels are way better arrangement than single. Size and weight, maybe for smaller hands or average hands, but I have quite large palms with long fingers and find K-x rather uncomfortable. With K10 I use the grip at all times to gain the handling I'm after. It gets heavy but I'm more than willing to compromise there, and the LEDs. Well if you use center AF only then OK, but if you have 11 to choose from, why should you be stuck at one and/or having to look at LCD everytime you need to change your focusing point....
I definitely agree that it is a matter of opinion. Don't get me wrong. I loved my K10D for what it was. There is no perfect size. I am the opposite of you as I have smaller hands/fingers. But, the weight did bother me.
I do use center AF mostly. But, it really is not difficult to adjust the focus point. You are in no way stuck. It is quite easy to tell where the focus LED would have been by looking at the etchings of the focus screen. Also, in practice, I find that it is quite easy to look at the back of the LCD. If you think about it, the K10 is much worse. Yeah I said it. The only time you know that you forgot to re-center your AF point is when you are taking another shot and a different AF LED lights up.* Another, missed shot. Now with the Kx, before I put the camera to my eye, I can see the focus point is not in the center and make the quick adjustment.
* you can also on the K10D press the info button to see the status. But that is another step.
Of course, we all have our opinions. I think we are lucky to have the choices that we have both for cameras and lenses. I won't touch the FF issue.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ecaterin Quote
Nope, untrue. Katzeye makes one :)

ITA - changing ISO is a 2 second process, and I didn't even realize you could use the edial rather than the 4-way buttons. Now it'll be even faster - excellent :P

"Is he using the same wind we are using?" I'm not sure you and I had similar quality K10s and K-x's - my experience is similar to that of the previous poster. My K-x is head and shoulders over my K10. In not a single way was my K10 a better picture taking machine for me, with the exception of weather sealing.

AWB is so accurate on the K-x that the only time I go manual on WB is under sketchy indoor light. Sure you can adjust it in RAW, but why worry about it? AWB won't accidentally give me an entire day's worth of photos outdoors under tungesten settings, resulting in RAW tweaks on every single one. Since I shoot in RAW+JPG, having accurate AWB for the 'snapshot' quality photos I take interspersed with more serious ones I'll definitely edit in RAW is very handy.

Yes, you can install a split prism, as noted above. Yes, the viewfinder is smaller, but I noticed no difference in dim/bright from my K10 to my K-x.

Yes, the 100 ISO is a pulled 200 ISO, however I have yet to notice any highlight clipping in properly exposed ISO100 photos I've taken. I'm sure it's possible to force it, but it's not a guaranteed outcome. But much more importantly to me, is my ISO 200 photos on the K-x look better than my ISO 100 photos did on the K10 - better clarity, smoothness, contrast and more accurate color. Whatever small losses there may be technically at ISO 100 is more than made up for by the ability to go to ISO 3200 or 6400 or 128,000 and still have excellent photos.

I do wish the K-x had 2 edials, simply for the extra programability, but I've found that in ergonomic practice, I do better with EV+E-dial than with a front edial (right index on button, right thumb on edial). However one prefers either layout over the other, you can't argue that one layout is better than another, just that the functionality of what's available is more or less limited. I have small hands - 1 edial and a small chassis work great for me. I won't claim either layout is better, just that one will be more functional than the other, depending on who you are. Plenty of men on this forum love shooting with their K-x, seems like Pentax nailed a sweet spot for how small you could make the camera and still have it be usable. Unlike the original Rebels, which even women complained had too shallow of a grip :P

Back when people first started debating this, someone here said, the K10 may be twice the camera, but the K-x gives me 4 times the usable pictures. I agree - what defines 'better camera' if you're going to leave out the actual photographic outcome? You have to balance pro-body features with pro-photo outcome in order to claim "better."
Well stated. I know that you had mentioned before the bolded text in another thread. That really gave me a pause. As a result, I bought the Kx and love it. In my limited experience with the Kx (< 1 mo), I can already confirm this statement. I tried perhaps unsuccessfully in this thread to share the Kx love. But in the end I find this simple bolded sentence says it all. Kudos.
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QuoteOriginally posted by neverbnnba Quote
HERE'S THE K-7 BABY!!!! If this doesn't inspire you nothing will.
Wow... 'nuf said.

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The K-x may or may not be an "upgrade" to the K10d. However, I'd agree that the K-x gives me twice the usable photos of the K10/20d, but that is mainly because I will actually carry it around. The "take me" appeal of a small camera and a small, high quality (read DA Ltd) lens is not to be underestimated.
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