Tired of pentax

pov17 · 07-19-2010, 04:36 AM

I' m very preoccupied about pentax' progress about dslr. I' ve got a K20d, i tried the K7, there is no difference ( except a ridicolous movie mode and some little upgrade), the same sensor a similar af sistem and the same low iso noise.
I don' t demand too much, i just want a DSLR with a performance in-line with other brands' semi-pro DSLR (300s e D50), not a 5d neither a D3x, only a good camera with good performance but the hoya\pentax seems only intrested to find a new color chassis for its entry level DSLR.

I' ve got no hope. If pentax will not change I' ve got to change system

PS. Sorry for my english

JHD · 07-19-2010, 05:25 AM

If you're bailing out, got any lenses you want to sell?

Nimrad · 07-19-2010, 05:30 AM

Why tell us? I don't think anybody cares that much, and we certainly don't wanna spend energy trying to change your mind. You're probably better off with another brand anyway it sounds like.

opiedog · 07-19-2010, 05:53 AM

no difference between the k20 and k7 except silly video?

makes me really wonder how long have you handled the k7?

if you're tired, there's always CaNikon or oly or sony or panny.

GeneV · 07-19-2010, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by opiedog

no difference between the k20 and k7 except silly video?

makes me really wonder how long have you handled the k7?

Well, that opinion is not far of that expressed by Peter Zack's last and very detailed post on the other thread, from the point of view of a professional photographer who is a strong Pentax supporter. To many whose primary focus is the resulting image, there is not enough difference between the K20 and K7 to make the jump. In the days of film, difference in handling was everything, but in the days of DSLRs, an improvement in the sensor seems to be expected.

That being said, my reaction to another good-bye Pentax post is ...YAWN.

kittykat46 · 07-19-2010, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by pov17

I' m very preoccupied about pentax' progress about dslr. I' ve got a K20d, i tried the K7, there is no difference ( except a ridicolous movie mode and some little upgrade), the same sensor a similar af sistem and the same low iso noise.
I don' t demand too much, i just want a DSLR with a performance in-line with other brands' semi-pro DSLR (300s e D50), not a 5d neither a D3x, only a good camera with good performance but the hoya\pentax seems only intrested to find a new color chassis for its entry level DSLR.

I' ve got no hope. If pentax will not change I' ve got to change system

PS. Sorry for my english

Well, if the improvements of the K-7 over K20D aren't important to you - faster AF, more accurate exposure, much more accurate flash exposure, improved low-light AF, very much better AWB etc. , you are unlikely to get much satisfaction from a Nikon D300 or Canon 50D.

The Canon 50D, especially, IS NOT better than the K-7 or the K20D in Image Quality.

You'd just be paying more money for both the body and lenses.

Of course there are always those who are Sooo impressed wih a Nikon or Canon badge...can't help you there..

Zav · 07-19-2010, 06:28 AM

Wait for photokina, just a couple of months ahead. If there is no improvement, well, leave Pentax

pxpaulx · 07-19-2010, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

That being said, my reaction to another good-bye Pentax post is ...YAWN.

Haha yeah, the OP posts in the welcome thread, followed by expressed interest in a 35mm f2 in the marketplace, followed by this!

I believe this may be the fastest 5 step recovery the forum has seen - acceptance is coming everyone!

JohnBee · 07-19-2010, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by pov17

I' m very preoccupied about pentax' progress about dslr. I' ve got a K20d, i tried the K7, there is no difference ( except a ridicolous movie mode and some little upgrade), the same sensor a similar af sistem and the same low iso noise.
I don' t demand too much, i just want a DSLR with a performance in-line with other brands' semi-pro DSLR (300s e D50), not a 5d neither a D3x, only a good camera with good performance but the hoya\pentax seems only intrested to find a new color chassis for its entry level DSLR.

I'm fairly certain the K-7 AF is much improved over the K20D's. And I'm a K20D owner!

However, what I find most suspect with your post is that you claim to now demand much without ever really expressing what it is that you're demanding.

As a D700 owner, I can honestly say that the difference in average performance between the FF and my K20D is not as significant as I would have hoped.
IOW. shooting under normal conditions, it's really hard to justify the differences between the two other than weight and feel.

Having said that, I have good reason to beleive that Pentax is about to announce a new DSLR with improved AF, ISO and FPS performance. Though I don't know if it will be intended to compete in the prosumer arena. Which makes sense(if you think about it), because it seems as though Pentax has been careful not to get involved at that level of competition. And I think most people who invest in Pentax, do so knowing where the product is meant to perform.

ie. if we want to shoot fast paced sports action(such as: racing etc) , then we pick the brand that is best suited for such things. But notice, Pentax does not advertises this area?

In Pentax's defense, I think the issue is a consumer one rather than with the product grade. Because Pentax has been consistent in their market position with regards to product intentions. And though there are many shooters out there who can make there units work at the track and various other extremes. I think the biggest indicator that the line is not built for this is in the lack of R&D in the technology that we find with the other competitors(tracking, AF prediction, higher FPS, etc).

So for me.. I find that if we use Pentax camera's where they are intended to be used. That everything works out beautifully. However.. if we force fit the product outside of its intended use, then we end-up feeling much the same way that you're expressing here.

pov17 · 07-19-2010, 06:48 AM

Oh my god what I' ve done...maybe I was been too strong with my consideration about pentax.
I' ve already bought a 35mm F2, good lens from wide-open. I like very much pentax glasses and i Love ( repeat i love) the retro-compatibility with old A and M lenses, some of them are outstanding.
The reason of my angriness is that I' m a great fan of K mount i really love the interchangeability of the lenses between fil and digital. It' s fantastic using a FA lens on my old MX and an A lens on my K20D. And why i can' t have a great all-round camera but "only" a good camera.
But if you say that the pentax DSLR ( and only that not the glasses ) it' s at same level of other DSLR's you' re fools. Probably i will banned for this.
I wanna just say that the pentax' potencial is very very huge but the ingineers what understand this.
Probably I' m not a pentaxian but only a pentax user

pov17 · 07-19-2010, 06:53 AM

Thank you for your objectivity john bee, this is a way to make reply

MPrince · 07-19-2010, 07:15 AM

Maybe I'll get banned too, but in 11 months as a member of this forum, you have 5 posts, 3 of them in this thread.

I wonder how many hearts are breaking right now at the prospect of you switching brands?

pov17 · 07-19-2010, 07:27 AM

In fact no one cares ahah you' ve got a good sense of humor (it' s not sarcasm, really)

ducdao · 07-19-2010, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by JHD

If you're bailing out, got any lenses you want to sell?

Haha count me in as well.

VaughnA · 07-19-2010, 07:33 AM

Door....Butt...don't let let them collide.

I could have a few more features with other brands. I'd be out a lot more money and not have the quality of glass that I have now. And would my photos be any better? Probably not, I'd be shooting into a fancy body with the cheap glass I could afford. And the same idiot would be behind the viewfinder, which is the important part.

07-19-2010, 04:36 AM	#1
pov17 New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 16	Tired of pentax I' m very preoccupied about pentax' progress about dslr. I' ve got a K20d, i tried the K7, there is no difference ( except a ridicolous movie mode and some little upgrade), the same sensor a similar af sistem and the same low iso noise. I don' t demand too much, i just want a DSLR with a performance in-line with other brands' semi-pro DSLR (300s e D50), not a 5d neither a D3x, only a good camera with good performance but the hoya\pentax seems only intrested to find a new color chassis for its entry level DSLR. I' ve got no hope. If pentax will not change I' ve got to change system PS. Sorry for my english

07-19-2010, 06:47 AM	#9
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by pov17 I' m very preoccupied about pentax' progress about dslr. I' ve got a K20d, i tried the K7, there is no difference ( except a ridicolous movie mode and some little upgrade), the same sensor a similar af sistem and the same low iso noise. I don' t demand too much, i just want a DSLR with a performance in-line with other brands' semi-pro DSLR (300s e D50), not a 5d neither a D3x, only a good camera with good performance but the hoya\pentax seems only intrested to find a new color chassis for its entry level DSLR. I'm fairly certain the K-7 AF is much improved over the K20D's. And I'm a K20D owner! However, what I find most suspect with your post is that you claim to now demand much without ever really expressing what it is that you're demanding. As a D700 owner, I can honestly say that the difference in average performance between the FF and my K20D is not as significant as I would have hoped. IOW. shooting under normal conditions, it's really hard to justify the differences between the two other than weight and feel. Having said that, I have good reason to beleive that Pentax is about to announce a new DSLR with improved AF, ISO and FPS performance. Though I don't know if it will be intended to compete in the prosumer arena. Which makes sense(if you think about it), because it seems as though Pentax has been careful not to get involved at that level of competition. And I think most people who invest in Pentax, do so knowing where the product is meant to perform. ie. if we want to shoot fast paced sports action(such as: racing etc) , then we pick the brand that is best suited for such things. But notice, Pentax does not advertises this area? In Pentax's defense, I think the issue is a consumer one rather than with the product grade. Because Pentax has been consistent in their market position with regards to product intentions. And though there are many shooters out there who can make there units work at the track and various other extremes. I think the biggest indicator that the line is not built for this is in the lack of R&D in the technology that we find with the other competitors(tracking, AF prediction, higher FPS, etc). So for me.. I find that if we use Pentax camera's where they are intended to be used. That everything works out beautifully. However.. if we force fit the product outside of its intended use, then we end-up feeling much the same way that you're expressing here. Last edited by JohnBee; 07-19-2010 at 06:59 AM.

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07-19-2010, 05:25 AM	#2
JHD Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,406	If you're bailing out, got any lenses you want to sell?

07-19-2010, 05:30 AM	#3
Nimrad Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 150	Why tell us? I don't think anybody cares that much, and we certainly don't wanna spend energy trying to change your mind. You're probably better off with another brand anyway it sounds like.

07-19-2010, 05:53 AM	#4
opiedog Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NC Posts: 787	no difference between the k20 and k7 except silly video? makes me really wonder how long have you handled the k7? if you're tired, there's always CaNikon or oly or sony or panny.

07-19-2010, 06:06 AM	#5
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by opiedog no difference between the k20 and k7 except silly video? makes me really wonder how long have you handled the k7? Well, that opinion is not far of that expressed by Peter Zack's last and very detailed post on the other thread, from the point of view of a professional photographer who is a strong Pentax supporter. To many whose primary focus is the resulting image, there is not enough difference between the K20 and K7 to make the jump. In the days of film, difference in handling was everything, but in the days of DSLRs, an improvement in the sensor seems to be expected. That being said, my reaction to another good-bye Pentax post is ...YAWN.

07-19-2010, 06:22 AM	#6
kittykat46 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 923	Originally posted by pov17 I' m very preoccupied about pentax' progress about dslr. I' ve got a K20d, i tried the K7, there is no difference ( except a ridicolous movie mode and some little upgrade), the same sensor a similar af sistem and the same low iso noise. I don' t demand too much, i just want a DSLR with a performance in-line with other brands' semi-pro DSLR (300s e D50), not a 5d neither a D3x, only a good camera with good performance but the hoya\pentax seems only intrested to find a new color chassis for its entry level DSLR. I' ve got no hope. If pentax will not change I' ve got to change system PS. Sorry for my english Well, if the improvements of the K-7 over K20D aren't important to you - faster AF, more accurate exposure, much more accurate flash exposure, improved low-light AF, very much better AWB etc. , you are unlikely to get much satisfaction from a Nikon D300 or Canon 50D. The Canon 50D, especially, IS NOT better than the K-7 or the K20D in Image Quality. You'd just be paying more money for both the body and lenses. Of course there are always those who are Sooo impressed wih a Nikon or Canon badge...can't help you there..

07-19-2010, 06:28 AM	#7
Zav Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,371	Wait for photokina, just a couple of months ahead. If there is no improvement, well, leave Pentax

07-19-2010, 06:31 AM	#8
pxpaulx Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 2,867	Originally posted by GeneV That being said, my reaction to another good-bye Pentax post is ...YAWN. Haha yeah, the OP posts in the welcome thread, followed by expressed interest in a 35mm f2 in the marketplace, followed by this! I believe this may be the fastest 5 step recovery the forum has seen - acceptance is coming everyone!

07-19-2010, 06:48 AM	#10
pov17 New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 16 Original Poster	Oh my god what I' ve done...maybe I was been too strong with my consideration about pentax. I' ve already bought a 35mm F2, good lens from wide-open. I like very much pentax glasses and i Love ( repeat i love) the retro-compatibility with old A and M lenses, some of them are outstanding. The reason of my angriness is that I' m a great fan of K mount i really love the interchangeability of the lenses between fil and digital. It' s fantastic using a FA lens on my old MX and an A lens on my K20D. And why i can' t have a great all-round camera but "only" a good camera. But if you say that the pentax DSLR ( and only that not the glasses ) it' s at same level of other DSLR's you' re fools. Probably i will banned for this. I wanna just say that the pentax' potencial is very very huge but the ingineers what understand this. Probably I' m not a pentaxian but only a pentax user

07-19-2010, 06:53 AM	#11
pov17 New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 16 Original Poster	Thank you for your objectivity john bee, this is a way to make reply

07-19-2010, 07:15 AM	#12
MPrince Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WV Posts: 1,495	Maybe I'll get banned too, but in 11 months as a member of this forum, you have 5 posts, 3 of them in this thread. I wonder how many hearts are breaking right now at the prospect of you switching brands?

07-19-2010, 07:27 AM	#13
pov17 New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 16 Original Poster	In fact no one cares ahah you' ve got a good sense of humor (it' s not sarcasm, really)

07-19-2010, 07:30 AM	#14
ducdao Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Montreal/Vermont Posts: 2,160	Originally posted by JHD If you're bailing out, got any lenses you want to sell? Haha count me in as well.

07-19-2010, 07:33 AM	#15
VaughnA Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Virginia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,363	Door....Butt...don't let let them collide. I could have a few more features with other brands. I'd be out a lot more money and not have the quality of glass that I have now. And would my photos be any better? Probably not, I'd be shooting into a fancy body with the cheap glass I could afford. And the same idiot would be behind the viewfinder, which is the important part.