"Pros" talking trash about Pentax?

Laurentiu Cristofor · 03-12-2011, 09:37 PM

The Pentax advantage over Canon/Nikon is that they offer higher end APS bodies and lenses, and features like SR and WR. Canon/Nikon APS bodies have only recently become more competitive, but Pentax still has the advantage that their lens lineup is APS oriented.

Frogfish · 03-13-2011, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Many Canon wedding pros seem to be switching from FF 5D2 > crop 7D

That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long.

RyanW · 03-13-2011, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Frogfish

That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long.

True, you don't need a 200mm for most wedding shots. I don't see a lot of wedding shots with less than 20mm either, probaby nice fot the "in the limo" group shot.

I would think the better high iso images and the ability to get a shallower DOF when desired would be the attractors. One thing in favor of the 7D would be AF for party shots on the dance floor and the like.

aleonx3 · 03-13-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Frogfish

That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long.

Very true... trust me, I used to crave for long lens and envy those who have those big clunky lens, not anymore. Once a seasoned photog told me the same thing, if you are still going for big zooms and long lens, you are not there yet.

**Dma110** · 03-13-2011, 02:38 PM

I was at Seaworld last month shooting the wife and her friend
in the dolphin encounter. You get into wetsuits and get in the water
with the dolphins. They have "pros" in there taking pics to sell
you a DVD after. I was outside shooting. After it was over,
one of the "pros" walked by I said that he had the advantage
of a better location. Without stopping he said " Yeah, and a
better camera too." JERK!
Except for the fact I had to shoot into the sun, my stuff was
As good or better than his. Still pisses me off tho

Ratmagiclady · 03-14-2011, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long.

Well, 'need' and 'want' are different things there. For the big group shots, sometimes you've just got to go wide, (And bigger format is very good even if you can get back: when those crowds get big, each person isn't taking up a lot of frame area,) but it's better if you don't have to, even in 6x7 format. FOV isn't as much of an issue between the formats there as you'd think, till you're in real close quarters.

As for smaller glass, with Pentax you can have the FOV in a small lens, (especially compared to the other brands) There's other things at play, though.

**Rondec** · 03-15-2011, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

The Pentax advantage over Canon/Nikon is that they offer higher end APS bodies and lenses, and features like SR and WR. Canon/Nikon APS bodies have only recently become more competitive, but Pentax still has the advantage that their lens lineup is APS oriented.

This is either an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how you look at it, but it is the big difference. Most every other manufacturer out there makes upper end lenses that are designed for 35mm sensor size and then expects the peons to mount them on their (upper end) crop sensor camera.

Nikon and Canon are big enough that they could (if they wanted) produce some nice crop sensor lenses. However, they don't feel threatened by Hoya and they make a lot more profit on full frame cameras.

It is a big difference though. If someone thinks that someday they want full frame, then they probably shouldn't start with Pentax. Sure, there is a 645D out there, but that is a pretty big jump up from the K5.

Pentaxor · 03-15-2011, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Dma110

I was at Seaworld last month shooting the wife and her friend
in the dolphin encounter. You get into wetsuits and get in the water
with the dolphins. They have "pros" in there taking pics to sell
you a DVD after. I was outside shooting. After it was over,
one of the "pros" walked by I said that he had the advantage
of a better location. Without stopping he said " Yeah, and a
better camera too." JERK!
Except for the fact I had to shoot into the sun, my stuff was
As good or better than his. Still pisses me off tho

when he said "better camera", you should had answered, "no it's not". I'm sure he'll be pissed by then.

**Dma110** · 03-15-2011, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

when he said "better camera", you should had answered, "no it's not". I'm sure he'll be pissed by then.

I did'nt know what model he was using. If I had the k-5 then
I would have made a comeback. At that time I was using the
K-x. and did not know how it compared to Nikon. Now that I've
joined the forum, got at lot more ammo to use against the
Canikon snobs. But I guess the best response is just to grin
and know they are just sheeple

GibbyTheMole · 03-15-2011, 08:57 AM - **1 Like**

Quote:

I was at Seaworld last month shooting the wife and her friend
in the dolphin encounter. You get into wetsuits and get in the water
with the dolphins. They have "pros" in there taking pics to sell
you a DVD after. I was outside shooting. After it was over,
one of the "pros" walked by I said that he had the advantage
of a better location. Without stopping he said " Yeah, and a
better camera too." JERK!
Except for the fact I had to shoot into the sun, my stuff was
As good or better than his. Still pisses me off tho

Some people just need a good shot to the yambag.

**Dma110** · 03-15-2011, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by GibbyTheMole

Some people just need a good shot to the yambag.

God, I love the people & comments on this forum

starbase218 · 03-15-2011, 09:48 AM

I wouldn't generalize so much. I went to London in December last year and bumped into a pro shooting with a fullframe Nikon. We talked about photography and it was a really pleasent conversation. No bashing of any manufacturer whatsoever. In fact, he told me "it's not the gear". He was right, as I am now discovering.

Anyway, some people on this forum (or another) might become pros someday as well. Are you saying they will automatically also be bashing Pentax, just because they're a pro then, and that's what pro's do?

In other words: it's not the job. It's the person.

eddie1960 · 03-15-2011, 10:15 AM

IMHO this guy wasn't much of a pro, almost uniformly the true pros i come into contact with all know and mostly like pentax but the tool they need is different fro various reasons in many cases. a number have pentax stuff they use (medium format older film cameras and yep the digital as well, just the nikon or canon is more likely to be the main camera
Pro wannabes are another story all together they frequently bash so they can feel more confident of their system choice. they aren't worth expending the energy on

**montman** · 03-15-2011, 10:26 AM

I think everyone has heard the phrases “It’s the photographer not the gear” Or “A camera is just a tool”. I have a Canon 5D Mark II and some nice Canon glass but some of my best shots have been taken with a k200d with a Pentax M 50 1.7. That’s what? About $300 worth of camera gear? Any pro is going to realize it’s not the gear. One of my favorite wedding photographers Otto Schulze has a $7000 Nikon but chooses to use a $7000 leica. Even though his Nikon can shoot at a Crazy high ISO and focuses wonderfully he picked up a Leica that can’t shoot above 1600 ISO and and can only focus manually. The point is it’s a tool, who cares what brand you are shooting.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 03-15-2011, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

This is either an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how you look at it, but it is the big difference.

It is an advantage for those looking for a high end APS system (body and lenses). Pentax doesn't even compete in FF market, so saying they have a disadvantage there is an understatement. If you want FF, you don't look at Pentax.

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03-12-2011, 09:37 PM	#136
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	The Pentax advantage over Canon/Nikon is that they offer higher end APS bodies and lenses, and features like SR and WR. Canon/Nikon APS bodies have only recently become more competitive, but Pentax still has the advantage that their lens lineup is APS oriented.

03-13-2011, 09:56 AM	#137
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by rawr Many Canon wedding pros seem to be switching from FF 5D2 > crop 7D That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long.

03-13-2011, 01:50 PM	#138
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by Frogfish That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long. True, you don't need a 200mm for most wedding shots. I don't see a lot of wedding shots with less than 20mm either, probaby nice fot the "in the limo" group shot. I would think the better high iso images and the ability to get a shallower DOF when desired would be the attractors. One thing in favor of the 7D would be AF for party shots on the dance floor and the like.

03-13-2011, 02:08 PM	#139
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by Frogfish That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long. Very true... trust me, I used to crave for long lens and envy those who have those big clunky lens, not anymore. Once a seasoned photog told me the same thing, if you are still going for big zooms and long lens, you are not there yet.

03-13-2011, 02:38 PM	#140
Dma110 Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Gilbert Arizona Posts: 559	I was at Seaworld last month shooting the wife and her friend in the dolphin encounter. You get into wetsuits and get in the water with the dolphins. They have "pros" in there taking pics to sell you a DVD after. I was outside shooting. After it was over, one of the "pros" walked by I said that he had the advantage of a better location. Without stopping he said " Yeah, and a better camera too." JERK! Except for the fact I had to shoot into the sun, my stuff was As good or better than his. Still pisses me off tho

03-14-2011, 11:13 AM	#141
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Frogfish That's an interesting comment because I had my first 'Pro' shoot yesterday as back-up shooter to a Canon Pro (using a 7D, 50D and 40D) and when the subject of Weddings came up with an amateur posing the question he said, in unequivocal tones, 5DII over the 7D every day of the week. You need wide not long. Well, 'need' and 'want' are different things there. For the big group shots, sometimes you've just got to go wide, (And bigger format is very good even if you can get back: when those crowds get big, each person isn't taking up a lot of frame area,) but it's better if you don't have to, even in 6x7 format. FOV isn't as much of an issue between the formats there as you'd think, till you're in real close quarters. As for smaller glass, with Pentax you can have the FOV in a small lens, (especially compared to the other brands) There's other things at play, though.

03-15-2011, 04:05 AM	#142
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor The Pentax advantage over Canon/Nikon is that they offer higher end APS bodies and lenses, and features like SR and WR. Canon/Nikon APS bodies have only recently become more competitive, but Pentax still has the advantage that their lens lineup is APS oriented. This is either an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how you look at it, but it is the big difference. Most every other manufacturer out there makes upper end lenses that are designed for 35mm sensor size and then expects the peons to mount them on their (upper end) crop sensor camera. Nikon and Canon are big enough that they could (if they wanted) produce some nice crop sensor lenses. However, they don't feel threatened by Hoya and they make a lot more profit on full frame cameras. It is a big difference though. If someone thinks that someday they want full frame, then they probably shouldn't start with Pentax. Sure, there is a 645D out there, but that is a pretty big jump up from the K5.

03-15-2011, 08:26 AM	#143
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Dma110 I was at Seaworld last month shooting the wife and her friend in the dolphin encounter. You get into wetsuits and get in the water with the dolphins. They have "pros" in there taking pics to sell you a DVD after. I was outside shooting. After it was over, one of the "pros" walked by I said that he had the advantage of a better location. Without stopping he said " Yeah, and a better camera too." JERK! Except for the fact I had to shoot into the sun, my stuff was As good or better than his. Still pisses me off tho when he said "better camera", you should had answered, "no it's not". I'm sure he'll be pissed by then.

03-15-2011, 08:52 AM	#144
Dma110 Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Gilbert Arizona Posts: 559	Originally posted by Pentaxor when he said "better camera", you should had answered, "no it's not". I'm sure he'll be pissed by then. I did'nt know what model he was using. If I had the k-5 then I would have made a comeback. At that time I was using the K-x. and did not know how it compared to Nikon. Now that I've joined the forum, got at lot more ammo to use against the Canikon snobs. But I guess the best response is just to grin and know they are just sheeple

03-15-2011, 08:57 AM - 1 Like	#145
GibbyTheMole Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Iowa Photos: Albums Posts: 2,275	Quote: I was at Seaworld last month shooting the wife and her friend in the dolphin encounter. You get into wetsuits and get in the water with the dolphins. They have "pros" in there taking pics to sell you a DVD after. I was outside shooting. After it was over, one of the "pros" walked by I said that he had the advantage of a better location. Without stopping he said " Yeah, and a better camera too." JERK! Except for the fact I had to shoot into the sun, my stuff was As good or better than his. Still pisses me off tho Some people just need a good shot to the yambag.

03-15-2011, 09:19 AM	#146
Dma110 Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Gilbert Arizona Posts: 559	Originally posted by GibbyTheMole Some people just need a good shot to the yambag. God, I love the people & comments on this forum

03-15-2011, 09:48 AM	#147
starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	I wouldn't generalize so much. I went to London in December last year and bumped into a pro shooting with a fullframe Nikon. We talked about photography and it was a really pleasent conversation. No bashing of any manufacturer whatsoever. In fact, he told me "it's not the gear". He was right, as I am now discovering. Anyway, some people on this forum (or another) might become pros someday as well. Are you saying they will automatically also be bashing Pentax, just because they're a pro then, and that's what pro's do? In other words: it's not the job. It's the person.

03-15-2011, 10:15 AM	#148
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	IMHO this guy wasn't much of a pro, almost uniformly the true pros i come into contact with all know and mostly like pentax but the tool they need is different fro various reasons in many cases. a number have pentax stuff they use (medium format older film cameras and yep the digital as well, just the nikon or canon is more likely to be the main camera Pro wannabes are another story all together they frequently bash so they can feel more confident of their system choice. they aren't worth expending the energy on

03-15-2011, 10:26 AM	#149
montman Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Kansas City Photos: Gallery Posts: 576	I think everyone has heard the phrases “It’s the photographer not the gear” Or “A camera is just a tool”. I have a Canon 5D Mark II and some nice Canon glass but some of my best shots have been taken with a k200d with a Pentax M 50 1.7. That’s what? About $300 worth of camera gear? Any pro is going to realize it’s not the gear. One of my favorite wedding photographers Otto Schulze has a $7000 Nikon but chooses to use a $7000 leica. Even though his Nikon can shoot at a Crazy high ISO and focuses wonderfully he picked up a Leica that can’t shoot above 1600 ISO and and can only focus manually. The point is it’s a tool, who cares what brand you are shooting.

03-15-2011, 10:55 AM	#150
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by Rondec This is either an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how you look at it, but it is the big difference. It is an advantage for those looking for a high end APS system (body and lenses). Pentax doesn't even compete in FF market, so saying they have a disadvantage there is an understatement. If you want FF, you don't look at Pentax.