"Pros" talking trash about Pentax?

Wheatfield · 02-28-2011, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by bsamcash

To be fair though, I am strongly considering a Nikon 7000 over a Pentax K-5 for my next upgrade. I know that the K-5 is probably the overall better body in image quality and handling, but I've just been getting fed up with Pentax's autofocus. What's holding me back is my great lust for the Limiteds.

Switch to Nikon, then you can be fed up with the lenses.

eddie1960 · 02-28-2011, 07:23 AM

odd response from him, sounds like an insecure fanboy. generally i get this kind of thing from younger kids shooting more entry level cams than pros. on saturday when i stopped by to have a pint ang shoot a friends matinee i talked with a pro who was videoing it with a 5d mkII. we talked cmareas a bit (medium format and digital. He expressed admiration of the pentax prime lineup and medium format gear and said he was lusting after a 645d, i expressed lust for the video and ff capabilities of the 5d but did say i preferred the nikon layouts as I found the Canon very unintuitive for me. he said that was the thing that bothered him the most.
I've never run into anyone who was a true pro who would slag a kx and compare it to a d700. that's just sad

v3t0 · 02-28-2011, 09:29 AM

he is not a 'pro'..pros did not talk about gears..pros only talk about lighting..hehe

RioRico · 02-28-2011, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by bsamcash

To be fair though, I am strongly considering a Nikon 7000 over a Pentax K-5 for my next upgrade. I know that the K-5 is probably the overall better body in image quality and handling, but I've just been getting fed up with Pentax's autofocus. What's holding me back is my great lust for the Limiteds.

The latest (March 2011) issue of PopPhoto post their usual camera ratings page. Here are their top-rated cameras, 4.5 stars or more, ordered by 'street' cost (body only) in US$ at the publication deadline:

US$1100 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 60D (APS-C)
US$1450 - 4.5*- Pentax K5 (APS-C)
US$2500 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 5D Mk II (FF)
US$4750 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 1D Mk IV (APS-H)
US$5200 - 4.5*- Nikon D3S (FF)
US$6100 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 1Ds Mk III (FF)
US$7500 - 5*--- Nikon D3X (FF)

So, except for the Canon 60D, every cam with the same rating as the K5 costs considerably more. No other Nikons, no Sony's nor Oly's, made it past 4 stars. I'm surprised the Sony A850 (US$2000, 4*) didn't rate higher, as it and the costlier A900 (US$2700, 4*) are the only dSLRs with both FF and SR. They rate the A850 as "superfast AF" which, with the shorter register distance of the Sony's (necessary for many legacy lenses), makes the A850 my leading candidate for an 'upgrade' cam. If I had money. And desire.

I'm sure the Nikon D7000 (US$1200, 4*) is a fine camera -- if one wants to buy-into the Nikon lens family, with in-lens IS on *some* lenses, with no capacity to use M42 and other shorter-register glass, with no WR sealing, etc. There are many trade-offs. I don't think I'd want to trade off in-body SR for faster AF. But that's me.

Originally posted by v3t0

he is not a 'pro'..pros did not talk about gears..pros only talk about lighting..hehe

I thought artists only talked about light, and pros only talked about money?

Last edited by RioRico; 02-28-2011 at 11:18 AM.

RyanW · 02-28-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Switch to Nikon, then you can be fed up with the lenses.

Zooms or primes? I was always under the impression that their top zooms were great, but expensive.

bsamcash · 02-28-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by RioRico

The latest (March 2011) issue of PopPhoto post their usual camera ratings page. Here are their top-rated cameras, 4.5 stars or more, ordered by 'street' cost (body only) in US$ at the publication deadline:

US$1100 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 60D (APS-C)
US$1450 - 4.5*- Pentax K5 (APS-C)
US$2500 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 5D Mk II (FF)
US$4750 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 1D Mk IV (APS-H)
US$5200 - 4.5*- Nikon D3S (FF)
US$6100 - 4.5*- Canon EOS 1Ds Mk III (FF)
US$7500 - 5*--- Nikon D3X (FF)

So, except for the Canon 60D, every cam with the same rating as the K5 costs considerably more. No other Nikons, no Sony's nor Oly's, made it past 4 stars. I'm surprised the Sony A850 (US$2000, 4*) didn't rate higher, as it and the costlier A900 (US$2700, 4*) are the only dSLRs with both FF and SR. They rate the A850 as "superfast AF" which, with the shorter register distance of the Sony's (necessary for many legacy lenses), makes the A850 my leading candidate for an 'upgrade' cam. If I had money. And desire.

I'm sure the Nikon D7000 (US$1200, 4*) is a fine camera -- if one wants to buy-into the Nikon lens family, with in-lens IS on *some* lenses, with no capacity to use M42 and other shorter-register glass, with no WR sealing, etc. There are many trade-offs. I don't think I'd want to trade off in-body SR for faster AF. But that's me.

Those are some impressive numbers. I knew the K-5 was a good body, but to measure up against the Canikon 1D and D3 (they need to drop the "Ds," we know they're digital)! Very surprising. I used to lust after the 5D Mk II back when I thought FF and video really mattered to me. But after several commissions and much more experience and knowledge of exposure, I honestly find them both to be gimmicky. Maybe FF is useful for landscapes and architecture, but medium format film has proven its unrivaled power to me many times.

bsamcash · 02-28-2011, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by RyanW

Zooms or primes? I was always under the impression that their top zooms were great, but expensive.

I'm a prime shooter, which is why I've loved Pentax for so long and probably won't switch. Maybe I'll just get a secondary body for more action oriented shoots.

reddmutt1898 · 02-28-2011, 08:21 PM

I shoot high school football from the sidelines. I have not ran into anyone that talks down about my Pentax cameras. One of the Canon shooters told me that My K20D was probably a better camera than his Canon 50D. When I bought my K20D I had compared it to the 50D,and found that I perfered the K20D.

Wheatfield · 03-01-2011, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by RyanW

Zooms or primes? I was always under the impression that their top zooms were great, but expensive.

Their lenses tend to be more flare prone than Pentax lenses.

ladyle · 03-10-2011, 04:59 PM

I would have told him I research Nikon and Canon and found that their iso was very muddy and Pentax iso was smooth as silk when doing portraits. Actually its true. That is whay I bought it. But the macro is muddy. But I have a really nice macro camera.

Ratmagiclady · 03-10-2011, 06:18 PM

It's conversations like this that remind me it's all sci-fi to me and no one seems to be putting out a proper, precise, focusing screen.

I mean, seriously: nice glass, megagigits and whaatagoogles.... I *want to see.* Dial it in, bolt it down, *then* tell me about how studly your engineers are.

**Digitalis** · 03-10-2011, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Mr. B

Once on some kind of a photo workshop the guy came to me and asked if he could see my K10D. He asked if it can take photos in RAW. I said: "Sure, here's a button for switching to RAW!" He just said: "Oh!" and walked away His 5D doesn't have that

no, the 5D has a direct print button though.

aleonx3 · 03-10-2011, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

no, the 5D has a direct print button though.

Huh? my label maker also has a print button.

Abstract · 03-12-2011, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

no, the 5D has a direct print button though.

I lol'd

Thats great, he has a useless button and we have a useful one.

Sorry but I print button...really?

RonHendriks1966 · 03-12-2011, 12:09 PM

Well all those funny thing. I once was somewhere, camerashop, and was developing a RAW in my K-7 to a jpg with some of the incamera tools. Another guy looking and said that his Nikon couldn't do that, walked away and the third guy said, well I have the same camera but my can do that. Funny don't know the tool in your hands.

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02-28-2011, 06:49 AM	#121
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by bsamcash To be fair though, I am strongly considering a Nikon 7000 over a Pentax K-5 for my next upgrade. I know that the K-5 is probably the overall better body in image quality and handling, but I've just been getting fed up with Pentax's autofocus. What's holding me back is my great lust for the Limiteds. Switch to Nikon, then you can be fed up with the lenses.

02-28-2011, 07:23 AM	#122
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	odd response from him, sounds like an insecure fanboy. generally i get this kind of thing from younger kids shooting more entry level cams than pros. on saturday when i stopped by to have a pint ang shoot a friends matinee i talked with a pro who was videoing it with a 5d mkII. we talked cmareas a bit (medium format and digital. He expressed admiration of the pentax prime lineup and medium format gear and said he was lusting after a 645d, i expressed lust for the video and ff capabilities of the 5d but did say i preferred the nikon layouts as I found the Canon very unintuitive for me. he said that was the thing that bothered him the most. I've never run into anyone who was a true pro who would slag a kx and compare it to a d700. that's just sad

02-28-2011, 09:29 AM	#123
v3t0 Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 54	he is not a 'pro'..pros did not talk about gears..pros only talk about lighting..hehe

02-28-2011, 11:11 AM	#124
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by bsamcash To be fair though, I am strongly considering a Nikon 7000 over a Pentax K-5 for my next upgrade. I know that the K-5 is probably the overall better body in image quality and handling, but I've just been getting fed up with Pentax's autofocus. What's holding me back is my great lust for the Limiteds. The latest (March 2011) issue of PopPhoto post their usual camera ratings page. Here are their top-rated cameras, 4.5 stars or more, ordered by 'street' cost (body only) in US$ at the publication deadline: US$1100 - 4.5- Canon EOS 60D (APS-C) US$1450 - 4.5- Pentax K5 (APS-C) US$2500 - 4.5- Canon EOS 5D Mk II (FF) US$4750 - 4.5- Canon EOS 1D Mk IV (APS-H) US$5200 - 4.5- Nikon D3S (FF) US$6100 - 4.5- Canon EOS 1Ds Mk III (FF) US$7500 - 5--- Nikon D3X (FF) So, except for the Canon 60D, every cam with the same rating as the K5 costs considerably more. No other Nikons, no Sony's nor Oly's, made it past 4 stars. I'm surprised the Sony A850 (US$2000, 4) didn't rate higher, as it and the costlier A900 (US$2700, 4) are the only dSLRs with both FF and SR. They rate the A850 as "superfast AF" which, with the shorter register distance of the Sony's (necessary for many legacy lenses), makes the A850 my leading candidate for an 'upgrade' cam. If I had money. And desire. I'm sure the Nikon D7000 (US$1200, 4) is a fine camera -- if one wants to buy-into the Nikon lens family, with in-lens IS on some lenses, with no capacity to use M42 and other shorter-register glass, with no WR sealing, etc. There are many trade-offs. I don't think I'd want to trade off in-body SR for faster AF. But that's me. Originally posted by v3t0 he is not a 'pro'..pros did not talk about gears..pros only talk about lighting..hehe I thought artists only talked about light, and pros only talked about money? Last edited by RioRico; 02-28-2011 at 11:18 AM.

02-28-2011, 11:52 AM	#125
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Originally posted by Wheatfield Switch to Nikon, then you can be fed up with the lenses. Zooms or primes? I was always under the impression that their top zooms were great, but expensive.

02-28-2011, 02:11 PM	#126
bsamcash Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cupertino, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 391	Originally posted by RioRico The latest (March 2011) issue of PopPhoto post their usual camera ratings page. Here are their top-rated cameras, 4.5 stars or more, ordered by 'street' cost (body only) in US$ at the publication deadline: US$1100 - 4.5- Canon EOS 60D (APS-C) US$1450 - 4.5- Pentax K5 (APS-C) US$2500 - 4.5- Canon EOS 5D Mk II (FF) US$4750 - 4.5- Canon EOS 1D Mk IV (APS-H) US$5200 - 4.5- Nikon D3S (FF) US$6100 - 4.5- Canon EOS 1Ds Mk III (FF) US$7500 - 5--- Nikon D3X (FF) So, except for the Canon 60D, every cam with the same rating as the K5 costs considerably more. No other Nikons, no Sony's nor Oly's, made it past 4 stars. I'm surprised the Sony A850 (US$2000, 4) didn't rate higher, as it and the costlier A900 (US$2700, 4) are the only dSLRs with both FF and SR. They rate the A850 as "superfast AF" which, with the shorter register distance of the Sony's (necessary for many legacy lenses), makes the A850 my leading candidate for an 'upgrade' cam. If I had money. And desire. I'm sure the Nikon D7000 (US$1200, 4) is a fine camera -- if one wants to buy-into the Nikon lens family, with in-lens IS on some lenses, with no capacity to use M42 and other shorter-register glass, with no WR sealing, etc. There are many trade-offs. I don't think I'd want to trade off in-body SR for faster AF. But that's me. Those are some impressive numbers. I knew the K-5 was a good body, but to measure up against the Canikon 1D and D3 (they need to drop the "Ds," we know they're digital)! Very surprising. I used to lust after the 5D Mk II back when I thought FF and video really mattered to me. But after several commissions and much more experience and knowledge of exposure, I honestly find them both to be gimmicky. Maybe FF is useful for landscapes and architecture, but medium format film has proven its unrivaled power to me many times.

02-28-2011, 02:13 PM	#127
bsamcash Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cupertino, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 391	Originally posted by RyanW Zooms or primes? I was always under the impression that their top zooms were great, but expensive. I'm a prime shooter, which is why I've loved Pentax for so long and probably won't switch. Maybe I'll just get a secondary body for more action oriented shoots.

02-28-2011, 08:21 PM	#128
reddmutt1898 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Gilmer,Texas. Photos: Gallery Posts: 36	I shoot high school football from the sidelines. I have not ran into anyone that talks down about my Pentax cameras. One of the Canon shooters told me that My K20D was probably a better camera than his Canon 50D. When I bought my K20D I had compared it to the 50D,and found that I perfered the K20D.

03-01-2011, 02:28 AM	#129
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by RyanW Zooms or primes? I was always under the impression that their top zooms were great, but expensive. Their lenses tend to be more flare prone than Pentax lenses.

03-10-2011, 04:59 PM	#130
ladyle Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 11	I would have told him I research Nikon and Canon and found that their iso was very muddy and Pentax iso was smooth as silk when doing portraits. Actually its true. That is whay I bought it. But the macro is muddy. But I have a really nice macro camera.

03-10-2011, 06:18 PM	#131
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	It's conversations like this that remind me it's all sci-fi to me and no one seems to be putting out a proper, precise, focusing screen. I mean, seriously: nice glass, megagigits and whaatagoogles.... I want to see. Dial it in, bolt it down, then tell me about how studly your engineers are.

03-10-2011, 08:00 PM	#132
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Mr. B Once on some kind of a photo workshop the guy came to me and asked if he could see my K10D. He asked if it can take photos in RAW. I said: "Sure, here's a button for switching to RAW!" He just said: "Oh!" and walked away His 5D doesn't have that no, the 5D has a direct print button though.

03-10-2011, 08:10 PM	#133
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by Digitalis no, the 5D has a direct print button though. Huh? my label maker also has a print button.

03-12-2011, 12:53 AM	#134
Abstract Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 388	Originally posted by Digitalis no, the 5D has a direct print button though. I lol'd Thats great, he has a useless button and we have a useful one. Sorry but I print button...really?

03-12-2011, 12:09 PM	#135
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Well all those funny thing. I once was somewhere, camerashop, and was developing a RAW in my K-7 to a jpg with some of the incamera tools. Another guy looking and said that his Nikon couldn't do that, walked away and the third guy said, well I have the same camera but my can do that. Funny don't know the tool in your hands.