Originally posted by Trey45 Please forgive my 2 cents. If I buy a DSLR I intend to shoot stills, if I wanted to shoot video I wouldn't buy a DSLR, I'd buy a dedicated video camera. As a matter of fact out of the 6 DSLR's that I own, I have shot video on exactly none of them, and all are capable of it. I use my JVC Everio for video.
Originally posted by zzeitg But seriously - I've never used the video mode and don't even have plans to give it a try. I can fully understand that there are people which in contrary to me like to shoot video - but then again - why not to buy a real video camera which is fully designed for this purpose?
Simple. Have you seen any consumer video cameras? Usually they come with 1/4" or 1/6" sensors. Even compared to a common smartphone that is pathetic, they have 1/3" sensors. Even cheap point & shoot cameras tend to have 1/2.3". And that's how image quality from those cameras is. And the look. Everything, literally everything is in focus. It's just an ugly image, IMHO. You don't have control over the look. Video cameras are more of a convenient documentary tool, less an "artistic" or "creative" tool. Why don't you shoot photos with a point & shoot, or a smartphone? Granted, there are video cameras that do have larger sensors and good image quality. They tend to cost several times as much as a DSLR. The Arri Alexa is at something like 50-100000 Euro, and it has the same sensor size as a K-3. Is it better for video? Yes, of course. No doubt about that. It better be, at that price tag. One of Canon's best, if not the best video camera is the 1D C... basically a DSLR with some small modifications, sold at a big premium. And I want to shoot stills and video. And I don't want to carry several cameras for that. A DSLR fulfills my needs, a camcorder doesn't, and it never will.
I have had access to a 1500 Euro'ish camcorder from 2012. Compared to my K-5 the image looks bloody awful. It's sharper out of camera, but that's the only advantage. The SR looks too artificial (though it is very effective, more so than the Pentax SR...), the dynamic range of the 3 sensors is awful (you can see the sensors clipping all. the. time. Messes up colors etc.). Low light performance is bad, and it's not like my K-5 is great at that. I have asked others, and IIRC everyone I asked, except for the owner of the camcorder, prefers the material out of my K-5 (shot at the same time and location). The codec though does a lot right... many options, and it creates high enough quality at good sizes. Why does Lauren shoot video with DSLRs, in her case the K-3? (She is using expensive gear to get around some of the limitations of the K-3 over the K-5, and needs the additional control it gives her).
Originally posted by clackers Kadajawi cannot comprehend you.
Oh, actually I can. And I am perfectly fine with that. Again, I propose that there is ONE button on the camera, and one mode dial item, and that's all the dedicated video controls there should be. And it should be possible to change them in the menu to do some stills function. Don't want video, deactivate it in the menu, reassign the button and mode dial position (could be another user mode?). I am asking for flexibility and options, and that goes both ways. Please accept that some people do want to shoot video, and if Pentax is to remain relevant it better keeps that in mind. Being vastly superior on the stills side of things is difficult. Being so superior that regular people are willing to give up video, even if they only might use it, is even harder.
Originally posted by Nicolas06 That plain simple... You care of video as few others. I don't care and many don't neither. For me the video mode is waste of button real estate and if I had choice I would prefer the video capabilities to be removed entirely to free up for better still ergonomics.
To me outside of a few true video users, the video features of modern DSLR are more of a spec sheet war. The one with the most features for a given price win. You buy a DSLR, if it has a dedicated mode for video, it must be good! Right? That what the guy looking for a new camera must think, looking at all the nice features in the spec sheet he will never use. Obviously it is worse to not have a feature than to have it... The guy want the one with all the feature he will totally forget of a few weeks after purchase.
So that why we had to see to us useless video mode for the spec sheet, for all the guys explaining we must have a better video mode that we are never going to use. This is apparently more important to have direct access to video than more direct access buttons for still. This is more important to have video software update than to allow for more braketing options (like apperture) or implement a proper panorama mode in camera... Or than to improve the AF tracking features or to provide super resolution by merging several shoots. Or why not? To improve still SR so you can 1-2seconds still shoots handled.
Because obviously video is more important.
That's your point of view. Not everybody point of view. The K3 is a far greater still camera than K5, the autofocus is much much better to a level on can not even imagine with the old K5. The white balence is must more accurate as the exposure. The flash system get ride of its exposure bug, everything is faster as a whole and the 24MP + low pass filter removal improve sharpness of your lenses more efficiantly than by upgrading them in many cases.
This is not an inferior product, this is in most ways a better product... As for thoses that really wish video, I don't get it. Sure Pentax is not providing what you want/need. Why stay there continue to be disatisfied? Why not just use a camera that does it right? Really? It might not be as advenced for still... but well that's not your priority.
Pentax surely treats it that way, yes. The 645Z really only has video because it is technically possible... barely, and it came (almost) free for Pentax.
How about shake reduction as a feature for the spec sheet war? It's a feature that is actually useful, it is technically possible, older cameras have shown that, it's a feature videographers like, it's one consumers like (no one likes jiddery video... seen many well done videos made with Canon cameras where the jidder and shakiness ruined it, and Pentax' SR system would easily eliminate that. Those videos usually don't use in camera audio anyway, so Pentax' reason that SR messes up the audio (it barely does, actually) is really missing the market).
I'd like you to get your direct stills access buttons, I could use them too. And one of them I'd assign to switch into the video mode, and you'd give them another feature. Flexibility.
I want stills braketing, in my case it's to move the sensor to it's 4 corners (not sure what aperture braketing is useful for... but what about focus braketing?). Panorama mode in camera... maybe one that assists me by fixing exposure, aperture and focus, and showing the overlap... but more than that is really unnecessary. Super resolution by merging several shots? Yes, PLEASE! (IMHO an API with WiFi or USB tethering would solve that... one of us can create a small app that gives the camera this functionality. A right, Samsung does it with the NX1 it seems, they offer a SDK. Pentax apparently flat out rejected that idea).
Better AF tracking... would be nice, but wouldn't mirrorless with a PDAF sensor be better for that? There isn't such a big delay, you can focus right before the shot is taken, because no mirror has to flap open, and if you use an electronic shutter (which gets more useful as sensor readout gets faster (less rolling shutter... good for video)) it's even faster. Faster CPU is needed for video... and a faster CPU will also give you better AF processing speed. It's a case of features developed for video improving the stills capabilities of a camera. Still SR that can handle 1-2 seconds handheld would also benefit video, if activated.
Video isn't important to Pentax, beyond the spec sheets, that's why there are some unnecessary deficiencies. Or maybe it is important, but they don't understand it. Other brands hire external consultants it seems. Olympus is rumored to circulate their OM-D E-M1 in Hollywood. Panasonic talks to videographers. Canon probably too, though they want to limit their DSLRs to push videographers to their cinema line of cameras (which is expensive...). Pentax couldn't have done any of that, or the K-3 would not be limited to a bad h264 implementation at 24 Mbps (not enough, think highly compressed JPEG, and that's all you get), and it would have SR enabled as an option (people who are serious about video tend to use external audio anyway).
Why wasn't the exposure bug fixed in the K-5? I'd like to see the improved speed of the K-3, and the better AF, that's what makes it so frustrating that they just DISABLED perfectly good and useful features that were present in the K-5. With them activated I'd say the K-3 is pretty near to perfection, and it would appeal to both stills and video shooters.
I'm sticking with Pentax because until now the K-5 is, for me, the best mix between stills and video. It has a good codec and great SR, the material looks very good, almost cinematic (can't do that with a camcorder), and it's great for stills. The Olympus OM-D E-M1 and the Sony A7 II are the only other large sensor cameras that have SR in video, and the OM-D has an even worse video mode than Pentax, and a smaller sensor. The A7 II is good, but the larger sensor limits the effectiveness of the SR system, and overall it's not tempting enough. Not a big fan of the A7 series.
This thread goes off topic, comes back to topic (then it usually stays depressingly quiet for a while... not too many sightings out there I'm afraid), goes off topic, ... personally I think that's fine. Threads develop and change.