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08-15-2010, 07:09 PM   #1
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Shutter counter roll over

Well Pentax day was a good day. I reached 10,000 actuations on my K20D. However I noticed that the counter goes from 9999 to 001 so I actually am missing one count. I'm not the kind of person who pays much attention to shutter count roll overs, so I don't know if this happened with either my DS or K10D. I'm sure it's normal, but somehow it seems weird.

NaCl(there is no such thing as a shutter count of 10,000 in pentax land)H2O

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I noticed the same on my *istD and K10D

I use the batch rename in PSP X3 to add a leading digit so I don't get duplicate file names
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Mine has rolled over on my K-7 a sufficient number of times to cause me to lose count of them. I can't remember if the number I should be adding is a 4 or a 5. I think it's a 5. But for my K20D it's I think only 2. Or maybe it's still 1. Not sure. I think I just have to deal with the duplicate file names. They're never sitting in the same place anyway.
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This MUST be enhanced by Pentax, 9999 is ridiculously low.

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QuoteOriginally posted by yusuf Quote
This MUST be enhanced by Pentax, 9999 is ridiculously low.
As the k20d was my first dslr purchased 18 months ago and I have rolled it over 7 times, low is an understatement. I too add something, in my case a letter so its gone from D, E, F, G, H, I to J currently and I never seem to catch it on 9999 so I have duplicate file names even after deleting 75% on import. Oh well, couldn't expect the k20d to be perfect.

Pentax/Hoya executives should be screaming with joy to see an issue this unimportant in threads instead of one that really hits in the gut (cough, high iso noise, slow AF, cough)
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We are talking about the shutter count in the EXIF data
- and not the photo filename number right?

I have a Pentax K100D which is an older generation/model than the K20D
and I have shutter counts of above 10,000 in the EXIF data -

here's the EXIF using PhotoMe from a shot I just took on my K100D -


note the shutter count of 18,287 -
which is obviously way above 9999.....
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If you use ExifTool by Phil Harvey (ExifTool by Phil Harvey) - a command line utility- you can use these attributes to rename your files.

Code:
exiftool -r "-filename<IMGP$shuttercount.%e" dir
This will rename all files in the directory dir and subdirectories to IMGP + shutter count.

It works on most file types - if the ShutterCount tag is available.
By addig more attributes to the command you can also move/sort the files to a new directory structure using all available tags.

A structure like F:\Images\<camera>\<year>\<month>\<lens>_<flash>\IMGP<ShutterCount>.jpg/PEF is a posibility.

By creating a shortcut/batch file you can use it to copy files from your memory card to your data drive in the desired structure.
(start by reading this: FileName and Directory tags)

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my Kx haven't reached a year old and I got 20,000++ actuations hahhaha

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QuoteOriginally posted by freeload Quote
If you use ExifTool by Phil Harvey (ExifTool by Phil Harvey) - a command line utility- you can use these attributes to rename your files.

Code:
exiftool -r "-filename<IMGP$shuttercount.%e" dir
This will rename all files in the directory dir and subdirectories to IMGP + shutter count.
That is one cool tool I did not know about. Thanks for the post! +1rep
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Sorry for pushing more exiftool info, but this command and argfile does all the necessary import for me from memory card to data drive and set copyright information.

In this example I assume the F drive is my card reader, and D is my data drive.
NOTE: If the copying goes smooth - the images on the memory card could be erased. (not happening for me, but just a warning)

command:
Code:
exiftool -@ argfile.txt f:\DCIM
argfile.txt:
Code:
#For all sub folders (Recursive)
-r

#Set DateTimeFormat to year\month\date (part of folder name)
-d
%Y\%m\%d

#Move to new directory based on CreateDate
# D:\PentaxForums\Images\<model>\<year>\<month>\<date>
-Directory<D:\PentaxForums\Images\$Model\$CreateDate

#Rename file
-filename<IMGP_$shuttercount.%e

#Artist & Copyright
#Because of DateTimeFormat copyright looks like this
#"Copyright 2010/08/15 Freeload Bogusfirm, email:just.spam@this.com"
-artist=Freeload Bogusname
-copyright< $createdate Freeload Bogusfirm, email:just.spam@this.com
By putting this in a shortcut I have a one-click solution to sorting.
If you add this to a batch file it can also trigger a backup job or other interesting things

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No I'm pretty sure the discussion was about the filename numbers assigned to the images by the camera. Thus the top number being 9999 before it rolls over back to 1.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mel Quote
No I'm pretty sure the discussion was about the filename numbers assigned to the images by the camera. Thus the top number being 9999 before it rolls over back to 1.
Yes - and I got a little carried away when they started mentioning batch renaming by adding the fifth digit and such....

My thought was by using shutter count instead of file number, the missing 0000 would not be an issue anymore. If you use the digital preview method you're introducing a whole new level of holes in the file numbers with my solution.
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QuoteOriginally posted by yusuf Quote
This MUST be enhanced by Pentax, 9999 is ridiculously low.
And they are gping to do something about this how?
Perhaps by inventing their own naming convention?
Perhaps by some sort of higher math where they can fit more numbers into a 4 number place setting?
The industry standard is XXXX-####. How are they supposed to get more than a 4 digit # out of this?
Think about it for just a moment before you answer.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mel Quote
No I'm pretty sure the discussion was about the filename numbers assigned to the images by the camera. Thus the top number being 9999 before it rolls over back to 1.
Yes, I thought they may have been talking about the filename numbering.

But the title header for this thread is "Shutter count rollover" -
and the shutter count is the number of shutter actuations as stored in the EXIF metadata of each photo......
the filename number may have no relationship to the actual shutter count
(since it can be reset at any time).
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QuoteQuote:
Mine has rolled over on my K-7 a sufficient number of times to cause me to lose count of them. I can't remember if the number I should be adding is a 4 or a 5. I think it's a 5. But for my K20D it's I think only 2. Or maybe it's still 1. Not sure. I think I just have to deal with the duplicate file names. They're never sitting in the same place anyway.
If you substitute YYMMDD for IMGP in your file name, you will never have to worry about dupes. I sometime will fudge the actual -xxxx number to make the sequence flow, however.

Flexible Renamer is very handy, and free.
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