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10-08-2010, 06:14 AM   #31
Raylon
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QuoteOriginally posted by brecklundin Quote
DA* 16-50/2.8 SDM WR ~$1100 vs. EF 16-35/2.8L non-IS ~$1500
DA* 55/1.4 SDM WR ~$650 vs. EF 50/1.2L non-IS ~$1500
DA* 50-135/2.8 SDM WR ~$900 vs. EF 24-105/4L IS ~$1100
DA* 60-250/4 SDM WR ~$1300 vs. EF 70-200/4L IS $1200 (f2.8L IS ~$1800)
DA* is $750 so that is a much better deal than the 16-35L.

DA* 55 is $634 but would be more fairly compared to the EF USM 50mm f/1.4. It is only $350. Also canon has the super cheap 50mm f/1.8 for only $100. Canon definitely has Pentax beat on current options for 50mm primes.

The 50-135 and 24-105 are quite different so I wouldn't really even compare them. I am not a big fan of the 50-135, it just seems like too small a range for most things unless you have a specific purpose in mind.

I would love to see some comparisons between the 60-250 and the 70-200 IS. I really want to know who wins that battle. I really like that Canon has 4 options for that same lens: f/4, f/4 IS, f/2.8, and f/2.8 IS. I have a feeling that even the $600 f/4 would beat the 60-250 in IQ.

Another comparison is the Canon 100mm 1:1 f/2.8 vs. Pentax 100mm 1:1 f/2.8. Pentax option is $200 cheaper there. But it would be fair to mention that Canon also offers a non-L version of 100mm f/2.8 1:1 for $519, which is $200 cheaper than Pentax. Also Canon has a 60mm and a 50mm macro lens available for more options.

Also as stated before I always wanted a nice DA* to go with my K200 but I could never get over all the bad batches and SDM failures. It seems Canon has a better support system to relieve my worries about that.

So it really depends on just want you as a photographer want to use. If you love cheap and small primes, you may want to stick with Pentax because they are a lot cheaper than Canon versions. But if you REALLY love primes then Canon might be the way to go because they have primes like the 14mm f/2.8, 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.2, 85mm f/1.2(I want this lens so bad), and more.

So I guess my little spiel is over. Like it has been said before, go with a system, not a body.

10-08-2010, 09:30 PM   #32
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Raylon,

I think you miss my point...my point is the price difference is not quite what many would have you believe. yeah, today the 16-50 is $750 yesterday it was not...and prices on any of these lenses can be shopped around for every penny you can save. But I would point out that the 16-50 is far from a sure thing. And the only reason I picked the Canon 16-35/2.8L is because it is a sealed lense as close to the 16-50...of course I could suggest "The Brick" 24-70/2.8L as well but the lense I would like the most is an EF-S mount 17-55/2.8 which might be a better real world performer than The Brick.

And as for the 50mm selections...again one wants to compare apples to apples as much as possible so a SEALED option is the prefered way to go because had I done as you suggest the fanboys out there would point out the fact the Canon lense is not sealed....so I hope you see there is no 1:1 perfect selection. I merely offered the closest possible analogs to the best line of lenses Pentax offers. Trust me there are some non-L Canon lenses I would take over the "L"'s in a heart beat but again those with blinders would come and pick that apart. So I posted what I did knowing it was imperfect because there is no perfect way to compare.

Last I am not disagreeing with your comments, they are reasonable as mine are to me...I am not comfy with the 16-35L anymore than I would be with recommending the DA* 16-50 to anyone.

I do agree a shoot out with the 60-250 and the Canon 70-200 of whatever speed would be quite interesting. I am really not sure but I will say I think I would prefer the non-IS 70-200/4L over the Pentax 60-250/4 based on price alone as I feel we are being charged for WR that is not in the lense as well as a price premium for Pentax to use to repair or replace failed SDM lenses in general. I am willing to bet there was $100/lense added to cover those costs during the last round of lense price increases.

If you recall, and more important if I recall, I closed by saying the difference between systems when put in perspective might me one less lense/year if going with the "best" of each brand. But then there is the Canon 85/1.8, the 200/2.8L (not sealed) and the really under rated EF-S 55-250 IS (4-stop IS but micro-motor not USM still a LOT quieter than the screw drive screech) for around $250.

I was not trying to change anyone's mind or push anyone in either direction just trying to offer some perspective from the "sky is falling" sorts who say switching to Canon is going to cost a ton more...yeah over all it's more, but how much does that really mean in the long run? Also, I mention Canon has problem lenses as well...The Brick is only slightly less prone to decentered and other issues than the 16-50 but it is, as you say, better supported by Canon than Pentax seems willing to offer to their customers.

I just guess it's a total mess...but if people do not really look at the numbers in black and white then it's all a lot of hyperbole and whatever else one may wish to call it....plus for me it matters because if I am still around in 6-months I will buy be able to buy one last camera body and I simply don't want it (or any lenses I splurge for...I mean when i go out I AM going to owe everyone damn-it!!) to be something I have to worry could end up in the shop for 3-months meaning I would never get to use it. So maybe my perspective is different.
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