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10-18-2010, 10:52 AM   #1
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which upgrade from a Km?

So I've been shooting with a Km for the past year or so and while I'm happy with the size of the camera I'm feeling really limited when I shoot in low light. I've been wanting to upgrade to the K-7 but with the K-5 out and sounding fabulous I'm not sure what to do. I'm wanting something with better low light capabilities and to be honest 2 dials for adjusting shutter/aperature. I shoot in manual 75% of the time and it drives me crazy to be forced to press a button and dial then just dial to adjust stuff.

I know everyone must be sick to death of all these types of posts but I really could use some advice. Dh says to go with the K-7 due to $$ but honestly he doesn't know much about cameras or photography.

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I would say K-7 as well. Definitely your best bet if you'd like to have easy manual control and improved IQ.

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You have the K-m. The KM was a film body from the late 70s. I think your best bet would be the K-r or the K-7. However, you may be able to pick up a K20d used . . .
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Sorry I must have missed the dash button I thought that the K-5 was supposed to be a big improvement over the K-7? Or is it too new to say this?

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QuoteOriginally posted by needtime2scrap Quote
Sorry I must have missed the dash button I thought that the K-5 was supposed to be a big improvement over the K-7? Or is it too new to say this?
I think its safe to say it definitely is a big step up. Moving up from the K-m, everything is a step up, especially regarding mf.
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With regards to the low light performance of the K-7 K-m and K-x
K-r and K-5 will have slightly better than K-x performance.

DxOMark - Compare sensors

So i would be getting a K-5 or K-x if i were you, but only the K-5 will do everything you want
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I don't know if I misread or something, but I think there might be a confusion about the OP's camera model. I believe he has a Digital K-m also known as the K2000... anyway. I used one for a few days I really understand the OP when he says he feels limited in low light. ISO 800 seems to be the absolute max I could use on it.
That being said, I think that a K-7 would give you really could result compare to your K-m. Would a K-5 be better ? Off course, "much" better some would say. But at the end of the day, the K-7 is years ahead of your K-m, in terms of build quality, image quality and probably every single aspect anyone could think of (the K-m is still a nice camera though).
Price wise, in your situation, the K-7 seems a logical upgrade. Keep an eye on the marketplace, lots of member will be selling their K-7 for shiny new K-5, so you can get one for a very very good price.
And then, when the next model comes out, in 15 months lets say, you can get yourself a nice K-5 for a good price as well !
But, if you have money burning your pocket, a K-5 would be the ultimate upgrade I guess.
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If money is a object I'd get a New K-X for $425.00. The New K-R is $800.00 and there isn't that much difference in the 2.
I have a K-7 and I'm not happy with it ...compared to my K20d I think it's a push. Except for the size

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QuoteOriginally posted by kp0c Quote
I don't know if I misread or something, but I think there might be a confusion about the OP's camera model. I believe he has a Digital K-m also known as the K2000... anyway. . .
No confusion. Look at post 3 & 4.

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If money is a object I'd get a New K-X for $425.00. The New K-R is $800.00 and there isn't that much difference in the 2.
I have a K-7 and I'm not happy with it ...compared to my K20d I think it's a push. Except for the size
The new AF system may be significant. We'll have to wait and see on that one.
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Yup, just clarifying, I have the K-m aka K2000. Its been great, except in low light. I rarely bump it up past 800 iso because its just terrible! I'm talking just taking photos of my 2 year old in the living room I can get a K-7 now used for about $700, just body. I don't need the lens I have some good ones. The thing is I could wait to save up for the K-5 but by the time I could they'll introduce the K-3 or whatever A person could wait a lifetime for the "perfect" camera. I want something that's better in low light, has the 2 dials for shutter speed/aperature control, reasonably fast AF, and not weigh a ton.
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QuoteOriginally posted by WerTicus Quote
With regards to the low light performance of the K-7 K-m and K-x
K-r and K-5 will have slightly better than K-x performance.

DxOMark - Compare sensors

So i would be getting a K-5 or K-x if i were you, but only the K-5 will do everything you want
+1. That comparison clearly shows the deficiencies of k-7 sensor when compared to an entry level k-x. If I were you I will wait for the same kind of tests for the k-r and k-5. But even without the tests, it can be safely assumed that both k-5 and k-r have the same or better performing sensor than k-x. Additionally, k-r gives you a better Af and visible focus points in the viewfinder.
k-5 gives you all that and a weather sealed body, more controls outside the menu.
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I may just put my K-7 on the market since it has less than 5000 clicks and 4 short video tests, I can't talk the wife into keeping it ..she still wants a K-X and they are real inexpensive at the moment..
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from what i've seen the k-7 is an upgrade to the k-m in all aspects (build, resolution, speed) except for noise. I wouldn't go for the k-7 if noise were really important to me, the DxOMark link sent by WerTicus proves that.
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I would have said the k-7 until I see you mentioned noise.
I would also have said the k-r, but you mentioned that 2 dials would be nice.

It really leaves the k-5.
I finally saved up enough money to buy the k-7 this year, then the k-5 comes out and blows everything (in the Pentax line and others, ahem) away.
I'll spend the next few months and wait until spring to see what price the k-5 comes in at.
I'm really happy with k10, except iso and noise. It's a real workhorse of a camera and daytime/outdoor images are great.
I really can't upgrade and be disappointed in noise again.
I too love 2 dials, or the k-r/k-x I would choose.

Anyway, not sure if that helps, but if you can hang on a bit to see the prices fall and go for the k-5.
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QuoteOriginally posted by needtime2scrap Quote
Yup, just clarifying, I have the K-m aka K2000. Its been great, except in low light. I rarely bump it up past 800 iso because its just terrible! I'm talking just taking photos of my 2 year old in the living room
I also have the K-m, taking photos of my 2 year old daughter mostly indoors in low light. With proper exposure and some noise reduction ISO1600 is ok for me. The K-7 isn't really better regarding noise. So if you want an upgrade both in high ISO (less noise) and handling (two wheels, more external buttons, better OVF, etc) then buy K-5. I'll probably go this route. If you don't have enough money for it or handling is not that important then buy K-r or K-x depending on your budget.
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