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11-07-2015, 12:30 AM   #661
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QuoteOriginally posted by vinzer Quote
I just thought I'd check and see if anyone else misses the K200D. I believe it's one of the poorly-received Pentax DSLRs, owing to a small buffer and pricing (if I recall correctly, we were all spoiled with the K10D back then).

Personally though, weather-sealing and AA batteries (with apologies to the Li-ion supporters ) for an entry-level model is pretty amazing. Pentax already has WR kit lenses, so I'm hoping they'd come around to release another entry-level DSLR with sealing. With the better rep Pentax is getting these days from mainstream media, maybe a new K200D would turn some heads and be a viable travel DSLR.

What do you think?
The Pentax K200D is what converted me from Nikon to Pentax. I loved that camera and gave it away to a design student who has gotten a lot of good use out of it.

I used to use the Fujifilm S3 Pro and loved the color tonal quality of that camera but the body has so many other limitations, the chief one being it is just to slow to use in the field.

Pentax is the only other brand that comes close to the original Fujifilm color....

11-08-2015, 08:46 AM   #662
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The K200D came at the wrong time, was wrongly presented and initially offered for the wrong price.

Also before, Pentax had classified the *ist-D and the K10 as beginner models, when German magazines found this to be a strong understatement.
In their time, both models had been prosumer quality, and found many users in the professional league.

When Pentax switched from K100/K10 to K200/K20, the K20 was a complete new development (main difference: CMOS, 14MP, LiveView), whereas the K200 was an only very slightly reduced K10.

The only differences to the K10 were:
1) Penta Mirror instead Penta Prism (but this Penta Mirror is nearly as good as the prism of the *ist-DS)
2) Usage of AA cells in body and grip
3) Top display not illuminated
4) The optional grip has fewer functions

BUT: the K200D had SDM support right from the beginning, whereas the K10 needed the latest firmware update.
In all other respects the K200D is identical to the K10 (well, the body design makes it looking a bit less bulky).

What Pentax did not foresee or just ignored:

The K200D was not only a just slightly reduced K10, the production cost were probably also in the same range.
And, shortly after the introduction, most of the competition introduced BEGINNER models with LiveView! Many of the buyers of these probably were already used to P&S cameras, where viewfinders had become a dieing species. So, a camera with a body price of > € 600 without LiveView was just for amateurs with a lot of experience with SLRs/DSLRs, not for newcomers.

Once the sales started dropping, Pentax had to reduce the price pretty quickly to get sales at all. And I think there was a point when they had to sell it for less than production cost. When they finally stopped production, the shelves were probably still full.

So I got my K200D body in November/December 2009 at its lowest price point for € 399 from a German internet shop. With declining number of offers, prices went up again for half a year - all the way up to € 630 (which was a bit creazy, because at that time you could buy the K20 for the same price).

I am still very satisfied with the K200D.
Initially, I was a bit disappointed that even ISO 200 showed, and at ISO 400 the pictures ceased to meet my personal standards.
For me, this changed when Topaz introduced their really revolutionary deNoise/Adjust_4. After some training, now my ISO 400 pictures looked really clean with just very slight detail reduction, and even ISO 800 looked much better than what I was used from ISO 400 color negativ film from the eighties.

Other programs for post soon caught up, and it seems also the in-camera routines for noise reduction have significantly improved.

EDIT:
One should not forget that Pentax tried to improve their position without giving up the K10/K200D technology, when they offered the K-m (in the US named K2000).
This was basically a cheaper priced K200D in a cheaper feeling plastic body without WR, and no possibility to add a grip. I am not sure, but I think it also missed the socket for remote.
But as it was newer, it already had a slightly improved frame rate for continuous shooting.

And I think the present followers of the K200D and K-m are the K-50 and K-500. Just the top display is missing with these two. Which, for me, is ruling out buying one of these.

EDIT 2:
I missed one difference between the K10D and the K200D, which maybe important for many users (not for me):
The K10 has 2 seperate wheels, the K200D has only one which mimics the 2 wheels by pressing or not pressing a button on top. Fortunately, the button is only millimeters away from where the index finger is resting anyway.

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11-08-2015, 11:57 AM   #663
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The K200D is dead - long live the erm what?

Having breezed through this thread I think I have my answer but just checking. My K200D got stolen (but not a couple of lenses). I was happy with it - I definitely need the sealing. What is the natural successor please, same lens mount, must be sealed, (new or discontinued)?
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I succeeded my K200D with a K-3 a year and half ago. I still use my k200D for pit duty. I shoot a lot of racing and having 2 bodies works out well. I use the 18-55mm on the K200D for close up work and the K-3 with the 55-300mm for the long range work.

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There is not a real successor.

From the present models, the K-50 comes nearest (this includes the nearly identical, older K-30, which maybe cheaper as it will be used). Compared with the K200D, they are missing the top display and the ability to attach a battery grip.
But they got the sensor of the K-5, multiple storable lens-AF-corrections, LiveView, movie, and a pentaprism instead of the pentamirror (so the VF is slightly lighter).

Even a used K-7 would fit to what you asked for.
But for all the bells and whistles, look for a used K-5 (same Sony sensor as the K-50). To the K-50 it adds a top display, sensor shift (which turns every WA lens into a shift lens), and you can use a battery grip. But it uses a Li-accu instead of AAs.
And as a true prosumer model it is designed for 100000 actuations (the K-50 obviously not, as Pentax does not give any number).

The (cheaper) used K-7 is older than the K-5 but has the same body. Its 14MP Samsung sensor is known to be much worse at low light/high ISO (but in this respect still much better than the sensor of the K200D). The range for sensor shift is also much smaller, so not really usable for architecture perspectivic control.

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11-09-2015, 02:56 AM   #666
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I haven't used my K200D since I got my K3 and I don't miss it to be honest. The K5 II was the first camera to become available that I thought could replace it (weather sealing, grip, top LCD) but I decided to hold out a bit longer for the next generation.
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Loves me some K200D

ISO1250

Pitbull @ The Paramount
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11-16-2015, 06:13 PM   #668
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Still using mine

What, there's something newer? Now if only I had money for more and better lenses (sigh)

11-16-2015, 07:09 PM   #669
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QuoteOriginally posted by john5100 Quote
Loves me some K200D
Those are fantastic shots, John. I went to flickr to view them even better.

The eagle pic EXIF says it was at 250mm. Did you use the DA* 60-250mm lens? Or, maybe since there's no lens ID populated, it was something else?

It's amazing that the K200D does such a fantastic job when our cameras have all "advanced" so much. Maybe in high ISO, but with good light, the K200D really is a fine camera in the hands of a skilled photographer as your images show.
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Ankh - that's good!

yucatanPentax - I used the lowly DA 18-250mm. I must have gotten a good one because it works well for me.


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11-23-2015, 07:34 PM   #671
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Great images! Thanks for sharing them.
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Thank you. The tiger is ISO 800 on a camera that's not supposed to be good at high ISO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by john5100 Quote
Loves me some K200D

ISO1250

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How'd you manage to avoid noise at those high ISOs with the K200D?
Really awesome quality shots!


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Hi Jan-61

Nit sure, it just works well. I do use LR5 for adjustments and noise reductions.

How is this for noise at ISO 1600

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John5100, those are some great pictures.
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