Happy I own a pentax (canon 60D help)

dj_saunter · 02-18-2011, 11:00 PM

I'm so happy with my pentax these days.

I'm visiting my parents and my mom recently picked up a Canon 60D, i've been using it and would not trade it for my K10D

Reasons I like my K10D
-build quality, the canon just feels so flimsy, everytime I open the battery door I feel like it'll break.
-green button... love this thing
-in body IS, I love this!!!!!!! Look at my 20 year old A-20mm f2.8 lens, it has image stabilising. Oh and my 40 year old takumar 55mm f1.8?? yep, that has image stabilising too. My Canikon shooting friends hate me for this.
-lightmeter. I had no idea how wonderful the pentax lightmeter was until I used the Canon. The Pentax is just so easy to read.

Finally color.

This is why i'm posting.

The Canon 60D just looks soooo flat. I'm sure something must be wrong. On the camera LCD, pictures seem ok and colors are nice, but when transfered to a computer, they look overexposed, in some cases, really bright.

I'm shooting jpgs because RAW files might be too tough for my mom to use at this time.

I don't know, what do you think? Are these normal Canon colors? The lens is an 18-135mm EF-S IS lens

first photo is taken in aperture priority mode, second one also but is underexposed -1

Oh, and things I like about the 60D,
-that autofocus KILLS my old K10D it's embarrassing the difference in performance.
-ISO performance also destroys my K10D
-video mode closeups for manual focusing is a pretty awesome feature

P.s.

I know this is a canon question, but I don't ever visit any canon boards so thought you guys might help me out a bit

dj_saunter · 02-18-2011, 11:15 PM

Took a picture with my K10D, these colors just feel better for me

Is this just a difference in flavor of camera makers? If so, I'm glad to be a pentaxian.

wlachan · 02-19-2011, 12:47 AM

I have the 40D which has magnesium body and sold as rock. I have tried the 60D which is no less solid imho, certainly no worse than Pentax plastic bodies. Remember the same build with different mass can give you very different impression.

Colour is rather subjective too I think. Whichever forums you visit, users are swearing their own brands produce better and more pleasing colour. While I can see the colour difference between Pentax & Canon, I am undecided which I prefer, let alone better. I like Canon for skin tone but Pentax for some other subjects. Then again, the difference is minimal once calibrated in LR. I believe there is no one colour rendition for everything. PP is the way. Also, your samples have different WB which has far greater impact on colour. Quite useless comparison if you asked me.

**Rondec** · 02-19-2011, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by wlachan

I have the 40D which has magnesium body and sold as rock. I have tried the 60D which is no less solid imho, certainly no worse than Pentax plastic bodies. Remember the same build with different mass can give you very different impression.

Colour is rather subjective too I think. Whichever forums you visit, users are swearing their own brands produce better and more pleasing colour. While I can see the colour difference between Pentax & Canon, I am undecided which I prefer, let alone better. I like Canon for skin tone but Pentax for some other subjects. Then again, the difference is minimal once calibrated in LR. I believe there is no one colour rendition for everything. PP is the way. Also, your samples have different WB which has far greater impact on colour. Quite useless comparison if you asked me.

Not only does the sensor and camera jpeg engine have effects on color, but the lens used does too. So much is subjective and we tend to like what we are used to seeing. To me, Pentax colors tend to be a little more neutral, while Canon colors tend to be a little warmer (too warm in my opinion). Still, it is all changeable in post processing.

I remember when the kx first came out, there were a number of complaints that its colors just weren't Pentax colors. They looked more like Nikon's colors. I don't hear those complaints any more, so I guess people have gotten used to them.

**7samurai** · 02-19-2011, 07:47 PM

I too think it's the lens. When using a Zeiss lens on the 5D, the colors are great, which makes me believe it's the Canon lenses more than the sensor.

**interested_observer** · 02-20-2011, 05:41 PM

Well judging from the level of the beer remaining in the bottle. I would say that the last image is proportionally better to the amount of beer consumed.....

hawk1500 · 02-20-2011, 08:11 PM

I vote for white balance...

ricoh.pentax · 02-21-2011, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by interested_observer

Well judging from the level of the beer remaining in the bottle. I would say that the last image is proportionally better to the amount of beer consumed.....

3drives · 02-21-2011, 09:26 AM

60D pics are sharper.

GerryL · 02-21-2011, 09:46 PM

Might be the difference too in the sensor CCD (K10D) and CMOS (60D).
Some say the CCD produces warmer colors.
..not from personal experience but from what I have extensively read experiences of other Pentax K10D users.

GerryL · 02-21-2011, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by 3drives

60D pics are sharper.

Pic shot with K10D has narrower DOF being the reason why other parts of the bottle is blurred.

KungPOW · 02-21-2011, 11:01 PM

It it so easy these days to adjust colour to anything you might like, that I would never discount a camera because the colours out of the camera look "flat".

Most Pentax DSLR's have punchier colour then either Nikon or Canon.

Software like Lightroom allow the colour profiles to be adjusted when you import the photos. It couldn't be eisier. It's not like the days of colour slide film, where it really did matter how the lens rendered colour.

bymy141 · 02-22-2011, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by 3drives

60D pics are sharper.

It looks like the K10D suffers from a little back focusing.
Also, we do not know the aperture used on both camera's, since the 60D's sensor is a lot more sensitive, the 60D probably decided to go for a smaller aperture giving more depth of field.

I like the 60D results better.
If you do not like the colours, that can be adjusted in post processing, out-of-focus problems cannot.

- Bert

02-18-2011, 11:00 PM	#1
dj_saunter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 209	Happy I own a pentax (canon 60D help) I'm so happy with my pentax these days. I'm visiting my parents and my mom recently picked up a Canon 60D, i've been using it and would not trade it for my K10D Reasons I like my K10D -build quality, the canon just feels so flimsy, everytime I open the battery door I feel like it'll break. -green button... love this thing -in body IS, I love this!!!!!!! Look at my 20 year old A-20mm f2.8 lens, it has image stabilising. Oh and my 40 year old takumar 55mm f1.8?? yep, that has image stabilising too. My Canikon shooting friends hate me for this. -lightmeter. I had no idea how wonderful the pentax lightmeter was until I used the Canon. The Pentax is just so easy to read. Finally color. This is why i'm posting. The Canon 60D just looks soooo flat. I'm sure something must be wrong. On the camera LCD, pictures seem ok and colors are nice, but when transfered to a computer, they look overexposed, in some cases, really bright. I'm shooting jpgs because RAW files might be too tough for my mom to use at this time. I don't know, what do you think? Are these normal Canon colors? The lens is an 18-135mm EF-S IS lens first photo is taken in aperture priority mode, second one also but is underexposed -1 Oh, and things I like about the 60D, -that autofocus KILLS my old K10D it's embarrassing the difference in performance. -ISO performance also destroys my K10D -video mode closeups for manual focusing is a pretty awesome feature P.s. I know this is a canon question, but I don't ever visit any canon boards so thought you guys might help me out a bit

02-18-2011, 11:15 PM	#2
dj_saunter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 209 Original Poster	Took a picture with my K10D, these colors just feel better for me Is this just a difference in flavor of camera makers? If so, I'm glad to be a pentaxian. Last edited by dj_saunter; 02-18-2011 at 11:27 PM.

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02-19-2011, 12:47 AM	#3
wlachan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 2,625	I have the 40D which has magnesium body and sold as rock. I have tried the 60D which is no less solid imho, certainly no worse than Pentax plastic bodies. Remember the same build with different mass can give you very different impression. Colour is rather subjective too I think. Whichever forums you visit, users are swearing their own brands produce better and more pleasing colour. While I can see the colour difference between Pentax & Canon, I am undecided which I prefer, let alone better. I like Canon for skin tone but Pentax for some other subjects. Then again, the difference is minimal once calibrated in LR. I believe there is no one colour rendition for everything. PP is the way. Also, your samples have different WB which has far greater impact on colour. Quite useless comparison if you asked me.

02-19-2011, 04:58 AM	#4
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 26,099	Originally posted by wlachan I have the 40D which has magnesium body and sold as rock. I have tried the 60D which is no less solid imho, certainly no worse than Pentax plastic bodies. Remember the same build with different mass can give you very different impression. Colour is rather subjective too I think. Whichever forums you visit, users are swearing their own brands produce better and more pleasing colour. While I can see the colour difference between Pentax & Canon, I am undecided which I prefer, let alone better. I like Canon for skin tone but Pentax for some other subjects. Then again, the difference is minimal once calibrated in LR. I believe there is no one colour rendition for everything. PP is the way. Also, your samples have different WB which has far greater impact on colour. Quite useless comparison if you asked me. Not only does the sensor and camera jpeg engine have effects on color, but the lens used does too. So much is subjective and we tend to like what we are used to seeing. To me, Pentax colors tend to be a little more neutral, while Canon colors tend to be a little warmer (too warm in my opinion). Still, it is all changeable in post processing. I remember when the kx first came out, there were a number of complaints that its colors just weren't Pentax colors. They looked more like Nikon's colors. I don't hear those complaints any more, so I guess people have gotten used to them.

02-19-2011, 07:47 PM	#5
7samurai Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 474	I too think it's the lens. When using a Zeiss lens on the 5D, the colors are great, which makes me believe it's the Canon lenses more than the sensor.

02-20-2011, 05:41 PM	#6
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,652	Well judging from the level of the beer remaining in the bottle. I would say that the last image is proportionally better to the amount of beer consumed.....

02-20-2011, 08:11 PM	#7
hawk1500 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 270	I vote for white balance...

02-21-2011, 08:58 AM	#8
ricoh.pentax Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bandoeng Posts: 40	Originally posted by interested_observer Well judging from the level of the beer remaining in the bottle. I would say that the last image is proportionally better to the amount of beer consumed.....

02-21-2011, 09:26 AM	#9
3drives Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 60	60D pics are sharper.

02-21-2011, 09:46 PM	#10
GerryL Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,731	Might be the difference too in the sensor CCD (K10D) and CMOS (60D). Some say the CCD produces warmer colors. ..not from personal experience but from what I have extensively read experiences of other Pentax K10D users.

02-21-2011, 09:48 PM	#11
GerryL Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,731	Originally posted by 3drives 60D pics are sharper. Pic shot with K10D has narrower DOF being the reason why other parts of the bottle is blurred.

02-21-2011, 11:01 PM	#12
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	It it so easy these days to adjust colour to anything you might like, that I would never discount a camera because the colours out of the camera look "flat". Most Pentax DSLR's have punchier colour then either Nikon or Canon. Software like Lightroom allow the colour profiles to be adjusted when you import the photos. It couldn't be eisier. It's not like the days of colour slide film, where it really did matter how the lens rendered colour.

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02-22-2011, 03:57 AM	#13
bymy141 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,563	Originally posted by 3drives 60D pics are sharper. It looks like the K10D suffers from a little back focusing. Also, we do not know the aperture used on both camera's, since the 60D's sensor is a lot more sensitive, the 60D probably decided to go for a smaller aperture giving more depth of field. I like the 60D results better. If you do not like the colours, that can be adjusted in post processing, out-of-focus problems cannot. - Bert