Originally posted by Frogfish I'm sorry but that is SUCH BS ! You gleaned all that from a trip here 2 years ago ?! I wonder how many people you actually spoke to, to generalise like that.
Having lived here for 15 years I can say with absolute certainty that people here DO voice their opinions and are certainly not afraid to say what they think - however the truth is they DO love their Govt (n.b. not the local police !) because for the most part it has taken (the people you are likely to meet in cities) from poverty to relative prosperity (and sometimes much much more than that) improving facilities and life for the average citizen.
They still have a long way to go and what many people consider a comfortable life here is not what people in the West would consider comfortable - but then we've been spoiled. For many here their lives now have opportunity and ambition, whereas 15 years ago that was not the case. And when you consider what is going to happen globally over the next 20 years how can you blame them for being optimistic and loving the change in the country and their lives ?
I'm not so sure, maybe because you have been there for the past 15 years and so people know you. All I am is an outsider so I am sure they spoke to me with a veil of distrust. I did speak to quite a few people btw. Mostly younger adults that spoke english.
I never said that China was not growing nor did I state that conditions are poor. I was in Shanghai as well. In fact my Samsung GX-20 with most of our photos stolen there on our first day in Shanghai. Aside from that, Shanghai looks to be a wonderful city and the police were helpful but also honest in that they were pretty much helpless in catching the criminal(s) responsible. But other regions of China I have to say are not as well off as Shanghai. Especially if you look at the countryside from Beijing to Chongqing. They do not look like they even have any communication with the rest of the country.
My problem is with the government of China. For example, the construction and completion of the Three Gorges Dam. Thousands of people were forced to leave their homes, countless artifacts were lost due to the desire of the Government to "improve peoples" lives.
I am sure that spending 15 years in Shanghai would definitely give me a better perspective, but having to do it in 21 days going from the capital to the countryside and then circling back, that's the most accurate that I can give from my experiences.
This was my experience and it doesn't represent the actual view of the people nor are my statements approved by The People's Republic of China.