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Tom M · 10-22-2007, 07:18 AM

So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses?

bymy141 · 10-22-2007, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by Tom M

So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses?

Good point. The recently published lens roadmap tells us we do not have to worry about useless D lenses in the near future.

- Bert

RMabo · 10-22-2007, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Tom M

So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses?

The supporting lenses are in the speculating that Pentax has a "hidden agenda" for 24x36 development and that they are ready to roll out a complete lineup of newly developed D FA 24x36 lenses soon, they just have to "hit the button" and it will all be manufactured and delivered soon...

The production problems of the pre-announced DA lenses (DA Star 60-250 f/4, 300, 200 f/2.8, 17-70, 50-300, DA 35 f/2.8 Limited, DA Star 55 f/1.4 SDM etc) is just "smoke and mirrors" to confuse Nikon and Canon so no one will believe in a 24x36 FF from Pentax.

Honestly, Pentax has used a new spage-ace secret holographic technique to hide their new lens production plant for 24x36 lenses, froom 700 yards it actually looks like the country house of the chief designer, complete with outdoor pool and restroom for guests.

and · 10-22-2007, 08:37 AM

I think pentax made a decision when they dropped DFA. In the beginning they were holding the door open for FF by having DFA lenses and DA lenses. Some DA* particularly the long primes were originally DFA on the roadmap but everything was changed to DA. only the macros are DFA now. I think if they had an FF plan then they would make the longer teles DFA.

Tom M · 10-22-2007, 09:10 AM

Maybe everyone will quit with the Pentax Full-Frame sensor nonsense now. It ain't happening anytime soon. Get over it.

**David** · 10-23-2007, 01:28 AM

Three years, is my bet.

and · 10-23-2007, 01:40 AM

I think an important point in FF evolution will be when the 40D and D300 are due for replacement, I am guessing in 2 years, maybe up to 3. By then it will be interesting to see if either of the replacements will get a bigger sensor. If they do, then Pentax will no longer have a choice imo.

In the nearer future, I expect canon to renew the 5D and I think they might cut the price, if they can save a few hundred off the price then the price will come close to the nikon d300. The d300 may beat the 40D, but the 40D is cheaper and if they put a FF improved 5D against the d300 then that will be quite a potent answer. the d300 will have better AF system and more FPS but IQ and noise will go to the new 5D.

I wonder what sony will do in the meantime... why are they so slow...

Edvinas · 10-23-2007, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by Tom M

So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses?

In my opinion all those speculations about 35mm format Pentax DSLR have no real base at all. Someone took some posts from some Chinese forum and here we go: now everyone talks about 35mm Pentax DSLR.

Anyone who is able to use it's own head will understand that Pentax can't bring out 35mm DSLR because Pentax doesn't produce lenses which will work on such DSLR. Also 35mm format sensor will eliminate one of the main selling points of Pentax DSLR's: built in Shake Reduction.

axl · 10-24-2007, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Edvinas

..... Also 35mm format sensor will eliminate one of the main selling points of Pentax DSLR's: built in Shake Reduction.

Is there any specific reason why one could not put SR system on so called FF sensor?!?
Anyway, I don't believe FF Pentax will happen, anytime soon.
and btw, I'd rather see 645D, a potent answer for improved 5D (if it'll come) 1D Mk III and Nikon D3 imo
but that's just my wish

Chocolar · 10-24-2007, 08:22 PM

If Pentax offer a ff, it has to be msrp at most $us1,500, otherwise it wont sell. Hmmm, wondering what a $us1,500 would offer??????

KennJ · 10-25-2007, 07:57 AM

OP wrote : "So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? "

Tom, the proper question at this point might better be where are the darn lenses to support the new bodies that Pentax has allready put on the market? So far they have had a less than stellar performance when it comes to lens production. A camera company with new bodies out and no lenses in production is a sorry sight to see.
I really wish they would get their heads out of their collective bums and get these lenses in (real full blown) production more than anything else at this point.
Kenn

creampuff · 10-26-2007, 07:05 AM

Actually I am of the opinion Pentax will come out with a FF camera much sooner rather than later. If Pentax wanted a range of FF lenses, it could simply resurrect and retool/redesign many of the discontinued FA series of lenses (update the lens coatings and add in SDM) and they would all be usable with the larger sensor.

The delay in the rollout of the lenses in the lens road map is perhaps an indication that with the prospect of FF sensors being available in the near future, the lenses on the roadmap would be redesigned with a larger image circle to accommodate a FF sensor. And honestly I don't see why SR cannot be incorporated into a FF sensor.

and · 10-26-2007, 07:16 AM

APS-H could be an option as well.

carpents · 10-26-2007, 07:22 AM

Why would you come out with a weather-sealed body and no weather-sealed lenses?!?!

Wait a minute...

</stirs the pot>

Tom M · 10-26-2007, 08:38 AM

You'll see FF, just not in the 35mm/DSLR format.. You'll have it when the 645D rolls out. And my guess, considering that in 2005 the 645D was scheduled to have a Kodak 18.6MP sensor, it will be something larger, like maybe 25MP or so.. Gunning for Hassleblad and, will be for the commercial studio folks. Expect uber-expensive lenses to go with this $6k - $10k or so beast.. Backward compatible with current 645N AF lenses though, so expect those ebay lenses to skyrocket in price after the release - K10D all over again.

10-22-2007, 07:18 AM	#1
Tom M Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ Photos: Gallery Posts: 780	FF sensor / lenses? So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses?

10-26-2007, 07:05 AM	#12
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	So much pessimism Actually I am of the opinion Pentax will come out with a FF camera much sooner rather than later. If Pentax wanted a range of FF lenses, it could simply resurrect and retool/redesign many of the discontinued FA series of lenses (update the lens coatings and add in SDM) and they would all be usable with the larger sensor. The delay in the rollout of the lenses in the lens road map is perhaps an indication that with the prospect of FF sensors being available in the near future, the lenses on the roadmap would be redesigned with a larger image circle to accommodate a FF sensor. And honestly I don't see why SR cannot be incorporated into a FF sensor.

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10-22-2007, 07:24 AM	#2
bymy141 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,563	Originally posted by Tom M So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses? Good point. The recently published lens roadmap tells us we do not have to worry about useless D lenses in the near future. - Bert

10-22-2007, 08:27 AM	#3
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	Originally posted by Tom M So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses? The supporting lenses are in the speculating that Pentax has a "hidden agenda" for 24x36 development and that they are ready to roll out a complete lineup of newly developed D FA 24x36 lenses soon, they just have to "hit the button" and it will all be manufactured and delivered soon... The production problems of the pre-announced DA lenses (DA Star 60-250 f/4, 300, 200 f/2.8, 17-70, 50-300, DA 35 f/2.8 Limited, DA Star 55 f/1.4 SDM etc) is just "smoke and mirrors" to confuse Nikon and Canon so no one will believe in a 24x36 FF from Pentax. Honestly, Pentax has used a new spage-ace secret holographic technique to hide their new lens production plant for 24x36 lenses, froom 700 yards it actually looks like the country house of the chief designer, complete with outdoor pool and restroom for guests.

10-22-2007, 08:37 AM	#4
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	I think pentax made a decision when they dropped DFA. In the beginning they were holding the door open for FF by having DFA lenses and DA lenses. Some DA* particularly the long primes were originally DFA on the roadmap but everything was changed to DA. only the macros are DFA now. I think if they had an FF plan then they would make the longer teles DFA.

10-22-2007, 09:10 AM	#5
Tom M Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ Photos: Gallery Posts: 780 Original Poster	Maybe everyone will quit with the Pentax Full-Frame sensor nonsense now. It ain't happening anytime soon. Get over it.

10-23-2007, 01:28 AM	#6
David Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sandy Bay, Tasmania, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 347	Three years, is my bet.

10-23-2007, 01:40 AM	#7
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	I think an important point in FF evolution will be when the 40D and D300 are due for replacement, I am guessing in 2 years, maybe up to 3. By then it will be interesting to see if either of the replacements will get a bigger sensor. If they do, then Pentax will no longer have a choice imo. In the nearer future, I expect canon to renew the 5D and I think they might cut the price, if they can save a few hundred off the price then the price will come close to the nikon d300. The d300 may beat the 40D, but the 40D is cheaper and if they put a FF improved 5D against the d300 then that will be quite a potent answer. the d300 will have better AF system and more FPS but IQ and noise will go to the new 5D. I wonder what sony will do in the meantime... why are they so slow...

10-23-2007, 02:32 AM	#8
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by Tom M So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? The DA lenses are designed specifically for APS-C and when these lenses are slapped on a 35mm (FF) camera they often create bad vingetting etc. So, if a FF is due to come, where are the supporting lenses? In my opinion all those speculations about 35mm format Pentax DSLR have no real base at all. Someone took some posts from some Chinese forum and here we go: now everyone talks about 35mm Pentax DSLR. Anyone who is able to use it's own head will understand that Pentax can't bring out 35mm DSLR because Pentax doesn't produce lenses which will work on such DSLR. Also 35mm format sensor will eliminate one of the main selling points of Pentax DSLR's: built in Shake Reduction.

10-24-2007, 02:49 PM	#9
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by Edvinas ..... Also 35mm format sensor will eliminate one of the main selling points of Pentax DSLR's: built in Shake Reduction. Is there any specific reason why one could not put SR system on so called FF sensor?!? Anyway, I don't believe FF Pentax will happen, anytime soon. and btw, I'd rather see 645D, a potent answer for improved 5D (if it'll come) 1D Mk III and Nikon D3 imo but that's just my wish

10-24-2007, 08:22 PM	#10
Chocolar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: OC, California Posts: 147	If Pentax offer a ff, it has to be msrp at most $us1,500, otherwise it wont sell. Hmmm, wondering what a $us1,500 would offer??????

10-25-2007, 07:57 AM	#11
KennJ Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk , Va. Photos: Gallery Posts: 132	OP wrote : "So, with all the speculation about Pentax upping the ante with a full frame sensor camera, where are the lenses to support it? " Tom, the proper question at this point might better be where are the darn lenses to support the new bodies that Pentax has allready put on the market? So far they have had a less than stellar performance when it comes to lens production. A camera company with new bodies out and no lenses in production is a sorry sight to see. I really wish they would get their heads out of their collective bums and get these lenses in (real full blown) production more than anything else at this point. Kenn

10-26-2007, 07:16 AM	#13
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	APS-H could be an option as well.

10-26-2007, 07:22 AM	#14
carpents Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Chester, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,420	Why would you come out with a weather-sealed body and no weather-sealed lenses?!?! Wait a minute... </stirs the pot>

10-26-2007, 08:38 AM	#15
Tom M Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ Photos: Gallery Posts: 780 Original Poster	You'll see FF, just not in the 35mm/DSLR format.. You'll have it when the 645D rolls out. And my guess, considering that in 2005 the 645D was scheduled to have a Kodak 18.6MP sensor, it will be something larger, like maybe 25MP or so.. Gunning for Hassleblad and, will be for the commercial studio folks. Expect uber-expensive lenses to go with this $6k - $10k or so beast.. Backward compatible with current 645N AF lenses though, so expect those ebay lenses to skyrocket in price after the release - K10D all over again.

FF sensor / lenses?

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