Why the U.S. received the K10D before anyone else, maybe.

volosong · 12-11-2006, 03:10 PM

Visited my local pro camera shop this past Friday and several of the Pentax reps were at the 'show 'n tell'. Of course, we had to chat about various things, try out new lenses, talk about the 'glory days' of Pentax, demonstrate the cool features of the K10D to each other, etc.

One thing that one of the reps mentioned is that the United States received K10D cameras before Europe and most of Asia because Pentax Japan wanted to attempt to satisfy the Christmas demand. He explained that gift giving at Christmas isn't as big of a deal in Europe and Asia as it is in the United States, so most of the initial production run went to the 'colonies' to try and meet Christmas demand.

Maybe true, maybe not. However, I suspect that the initial pre-orders were made by Pentax enthusiasts for their own use, not as gifts to others. Interesting thought anyway, and if true, would help explain why Europe had to wait for several weeks before receiving their initial production models.

jeffkrol · 12-11-2006, 07:26 PM

Tis the season for crass commercialism, and the stimulation of a stagnant economy, weather bought as a gift or for yourself, as a gift...

Ho ho ho........

JCSullivan · 12-12-2006, 04:24 AM

The size of the market and the demand. Pentax ain't stupid.

trog100 · 12-12-2006, 06:13 AM

ithink its about who not to offend.. they chose not to offned what they consider to be the largest market.. i do find it amusing it wasnt relaased in the home country first..

i am currently not lusting after one at the moment.. i am having enough problems with LBA.. CBA is something i am trying to avoid.. he he

trog

slip · 12-12-2006, 07:03 AM

I read one of the many interviews with one of the head hanchos at pentax and they said pentax, at this moment isn't a big seller, but the k100 has improved that.
Maybe this is part of the reason that pentax hit the biggest market.
Us Canadians had to wait too!

jeffkrol · 12-12-2006, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by trog100

ithink its about who not to offend.. they chose not to offned what they consider to be the largest market.. i do find it amusing it wasnt relaased in the home country first..

i am currently not lusting after one at the moment.. i am having enough problems with LBA.. CBA is something i am trying to avoid.. he he

trog

To be a bit cynical, maybe the USA was the beta tester. See if any major problems crop up. Fix them before being released in Japan...... Sinister....

jnorth · 12-12-2006, 12:36 PM

The time between the US and some of the rest of us was not that big. The amount of consumerism in the states would likely suggest that there were a number of pre-orders. The fact that they got most of the initial shipments out in time for what is traditionally the US' busiest shopping weekend of the year. And the fact that despite the impending demise of Pentax (as some would suggest), they really ain't that stupid to not dump a boat load of product off in the states as close to their Sept announced date as possible. I bet if it was Australia that was going to have the busiest shopping weekend a week or two before Pentax could shipped to a bunch of other key countries they woulda got their first.

Now why Halifax had to get them before Vancouve,r or London Drugs got them before other dealers in Vancouver, that's another ball of wax.

Edvinas · 12-12-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by trog100

ithink its about who not to offend.. they chose not to offned what they consider to be the largest market.. i do find it amusing it wasnt relaased in the home country first..

BTW, USA isn't largest market for DSLRs. In Europe larger numbers of DSLRs are sold.

**jfdavis58** · 12-12-2006, 03:20 PM

Perhaps it was something much simplier: shipping.

While the straight-line distances from Singapore are shorter to Europe than the US, shipping (actual boat) routes are longer. And it might also have something to do with the number of ships/containers going to respective destinations-I'd suspect a much larger percentage of vessels travel to the US than to Europe.

And then each countries import systems got a whack at them.

As to how they were distributed in the US-by truck, some by air. An intricate and extensive network. Overnight and 2 day shipping are routine-even coast to coast.

Who got them? Again, an easy economic answer: I went to my local dealer, ordered 3 with BattGrip-money in hand, the morning they were announced by Pentax. He placed the order that day.

He called me 5 minutes after it was delivered to the store-the very morning they became available at B&H and other large web-discounters. The next units arrived locally 10 days later.

While customer money did play a part in the final few miles, the rest of the trip was simple distance per hour and governement redtape.

trog100 · 12-12-2006, 05:07 PM

they cant launch all over the world at the same time.. its logistic impossible especially when they dont have enough cameras to meet the unexpected demand..

they have to make a choice.. they see the US as the largest single market.. and i dont think we are talking that many actual cameras either.. its seems the small US shops got them first.. they just appeared in dribs and drabs..

in one sense they have missed the boat as regards the christmas market.. and it aint only the US that has "christmas".. he he he

and perhaps they did see the US market as good beta testers.. who knows.. so far i dont think the UK has a single one in the stores and nobody knows when there will be..

basically they dont (as yet) have enough cameras to sell..

trog

12-11-2006, 03:10 PM	#1
volosong Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 696	Why the U.S. received the K10D before anyone else, maybe. Visited my local pro camera shop this past Friday and several of the Pentax reps were at the 'show 'n tell'. Of course, we had to chat about various things, try out new lenses, talk about the 'glory days' of Pentax, demonstrate the cool features of the K10D to each other, etc. One thing that one of the reps mentioned is that the United States received K10D cameras before Europe and most of Asia because Pentax Japan wanted to attempt to satisfy the Christmas demand. He explained that gift giving at Christmas isn't as big of a deal in Europe and Asia as it is in the United States, so most of the initial production run went to the 'colonies' to try and meet Christmas demand. Maybe true, maybe not. However, I suspect that the initial pre-orders were made by Pentax enthusiasts for their own use, not as gifts to others. Interesting thought anyway, and if true, would help explain why Europe had to wait for several weeks before receiving their initial production models.

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trog100 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 642	ithink its about who not to offend.. they chose not to offned what they consider to be the largest market.. i do find it amusing it wasnt relaased in the home country first.. i am currently not lusting after one at the moment.. i am having enough problems with LBA.. CBA is something i am trying to avoid.. he he trog

12-12-2006, 07:03 AM	#5
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535	I read one of the many interviews with one of the head hanchos at pentax and they said pentax, at this moment isn't a big seller, but the k100 has improved that. Maybe this is part of the reason that pentax hit the biggest market. Us Canadians had to wait too!

12-12-2006, 07:48 AM	#6
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by trog100 ithink its about who not to offend.. they chose not to offned what they consider to be the largest market.. i do find it amusing it wasnt relaased in the home country first.. i am currently not lusting after one at the moment.. i am having enough problems with LBA.. CBA is something i am trying to avoid.. he he trog To be a bit cynical, maybe the USA was the beta tester. See if any major problems crop up. Fix them before being released in Japan...... Sinister....

12-12-2006, 12:36 PM	#7
jnorth Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 230	The time between the US and some of the rest of us was not that big. The amount of consumerism in the states would likely suggest that there were a number of pre-orders. The fact that they got most of the initial shipments out in time for what is traditionally the US' busiest shopping weekend of the year. And the fact that despite the impending demise of Pentax (as some would suggest), they really ain't that stupid to not dump a boat load of product off in the states as close to their Sept announced date as possible. I bet if it was Australia that was going to have the busiest shopping weekend a week or two before Pentax could shipped to a bunch of other key countries they woulda got their first. Now why Halifax had to get them before Vancouve,r or London Drugs got them before other dealers in Vancouver, that's another ball of wax.

12-12-2006, 02:18 PM	#8
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by trog100 ithink its about who not to offend.. they chose not to offned what they consider to be the largest market.. i do find it amusing it wasnt relaased in the home country first.. BTW, USA isn't largest market for DSLRs. In Europe larger numbers of DSLRs are sold.

12-12-2006, 03:20 PM	#9
jfdavis58 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 13 S 0357397-3884316 Photos: Gallery Posts: 887	Perhaps it was something much simplier: shipping. While the straight-line distances from Singapore are shorter to Europe than the US, shipping (actual boat) routes are longer. And it might also have something to do with the number of ships/containers going to respective destinations-I'd suspect a much larger percentage of vessels travel to the US than to Europe. And then each countries import systems got a whack at them. As to how they were distributed in the US-by truck, some by air. An intricate and extensive network. Overnight and 2 day shipping are routine-even coast to coast. Who got them? Again, an easy economic answer: I went to my local dealer, ordered 3 with BattGrip-money in hand, the morning they were announced by Pentax. He placed the order that day. He called me 5 minutes after it was delivered to the store-the very morning they became available at B&H and other large web-discounters. The next units arrived locally 10 days later. While customer money did play a part in the final few miles, the rest of the trip was simple distance per hour and governement redtape.

12-12-2006, 05:07 PM	#10
trog100 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 642	they cant launch all over the world at the same time.. its logistic impossible especially when they dont have enough cameras to meet the unexpected demand.. they have to make a choice.. they see the US as the largest single market.. and i dont think we are talking that many actual cameras either.. its seems the small US shops got them first.. they just appeared in dribs and drabs.. in one sense they have missed the boat as regards the christmas market.. and it aint only the US that has "christmas".. he he he and perhaps they did see the US market as good beta testers.. who knows.. so far i dont think the UK has a single one in the stores and nobody knows when there will be.. basically they dont (as yet) have enough cameras to sell.. trog