Originally posted by normhead Really guys, just shut up and post some pictures. No one cares about theory, people only care about results. Odd , that in all the FF vs APS-C articles I found in google, not one with real world results from real world cameras. I saw bogus crops showing different crops off the same sensor, that doesn't count. People can argue the theory all they want. You still have to do at least one real world test to back up your theory, or it's not a theory, it's a notion.
Everyone understands that bigger is better, theoretically.. but to tell you the truth, 35 years ago in lens design class at Ryerson Polytech.. I decided I didn't give a crap about the theory, only the results. I'm willing to bet 99% of us are the same. This whole conversation seems to be all about theory and almost nothing about results. Now if there was a few pictures, I might be convinced somebody actually knows something useful about this.
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Norm, sounds like you're a bit new to this particular argument
I don't know how many times I made a variation of your request back in 2008 or so, and rarely was anyone able to produce a web-sized image that convinced me of anything.
Really, I think it takes iterations. To really demonstrate it I'd need to shoot an aps-c equiv shot each and every time I shot a FF shot, and then the 'look' would start to be more apparent to you if I showed you these dozens of shots, every day. A two-image sample often gets mistaken for an attempt at a definitive example, and usually just brings a lot of 'so what' responses.
A quick analogy: in a blind test, how many people would care about the difference in images between the $200 DA 35 f/2.4 and $900 FA 31ltd? If a good photographer shot both and presented a few shots in a forum, most people might be able to tell the difference wide-open, but the same folks would say, "so what? That $900 lens doesn't seem like such a big deal to me, now."
Yet, if you personally were to shoot with both for a while, you'd probably start to notice subtle differences and might start to really prefer the 31ltd.
Same deal, kinda, with FF, but the difference it can make to your overall photography is even greater than the difference between the 31ltd and the DA 35 2.4.
In my case, I bought the D700 long before the K-5 was available, and nothing in aps-c came close to it with regard to IQ. Now, the K-5/D7000 is only about a stop behind in ISO, and exceeds it in DR (at base ISO.) I didn't buy it for the DOF control, but grew to appreciate that aspect more & more at a lot of different FLs.
I hate comparison test shooting, but here's one image combo that gives you an idea of what you would start to notice (slight framing difference, same distance to subject though) :
35mm f/2.8 on aps-c, 50mm f/2.8 on FF
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