Originally posted by Marc Sabatella Still, in practice, as I keep saying, way more photographers care about the FF advantage at the wide aperture end
LOL... I wrote a whole *novel* in response to this one, and then deleted it. I don't know that this line is true (way more shoot portraits than landscapes? who knows?) or false, and don't really care what the 'vast majority of photographers' care about. Honestly, I only care about the technical side of this discussion because I'm a geek at heart and I like to understand the workings of things, and the whole FF vs APS-c is an interesting puzzle - but that's all.
My intent wasn't even to get *into* the technical side of things, because I originally set out to make two points... The first being that, if we consider photography as an art form, then technical considerations are NOT artistic ones; that is, switching formats
won't make better art. Different art, maybe. Soft focus filters were all the rage in the 80's, you know? Everybody had Cokin creative filters. I had a (still have; never sold it, now that I think of it) Zeiss Softar. Even in glossy magazines with the soft focus. I hated 'em, but I used 'em when an AD required it - and that was often. The slice-of-DOF look with blown out backgrounds is the same thing in this decade. So let me say it again: Technical features do not make
better aesthetics, they make
different ones.
My second point was that, in the end, the photographer matters more than the format, and that goes DOUBLE for the FF vs APS-c. People dismiss my "view test" ideology out of hand, but I think it's important. If I cannot discerne the differences in the output, the differences in the input are
irrelevant*. If you have the same photographer shoot 12 images with a P&S, 12 images with an APS-c, 12 images with a FF, 12 images with a MF, and 12 with a 4x5, then print 'em all at 8x10, shuffle 'em together and spread 'em on a table... well, you'll get good separation from the P&S to the others, and good separation from the 4x5 to the others (those are easy to spot). MF will get less separation, but still some of the images will stand out. FF and APS-c will be indistinguishable unless you shoot the same image as jsherman did. Even then if I don't know the focal length, it might be hard to detect. By far the greatest input into great images is the vision of the photographer - so much so that format becomes *irrelevant* except as a preference of the photographer. I've said it before - I've seen arresting gallery hangings by photographers who shot with disposable cameras and got 4x6 prints and made collages. I had a friend who had several gallery hangings of SX-70 images, and they were lovely.
So 1) technology doesn't make art, and 2) artists do. We can get lost in the minutia of technical considerations, but what really matters is what's behind the camera. The claims of objective superiority are aimed at technological features, but technology doesn't make art, people do.
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*Irrelevant in an objective sense; not irrelevant to the photographer, who may have a personal preference.
Last edited by jstevewhite; 05-20-2011 at 07:56 AM.