Why I don't like the "if you want a full-frame camera, switch to Canikon" argument.

eddie1960 · 06-29-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by RioRico

I could have handled a bit more pleasantly wasted time.

In my US Army days, I lived in barracks, rather than spend money on off-post rooms. That money went to buying camera gear instead. I knew (and cared for) nobody off-post; my free time was spent in darkroom rather than in dark bars. My LT was a non-standard chap, wrote a bio of his childhood buddy Vaugn Bode (underground cartoonist who auto-asphyxiated himself), lived alone in BOQ. We had interesting chats on how such monastic environments foster creativity as sublimation for sex.

Yeah, intense darkroom work is rewarding. But I'd rather have got laid.

ObTopic: Do FF cameras get you laid? Which is more seductive: Canon, Nikon, Sony? Would Pentax FF be a babe magnet?

Leica

it's the chick magnet just ask all the rich old dentists and doctors over on rangefinder forum

jstevewhite · 06-29-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by RioRico

I could have handled a bit more pleasantly wasted time.

In my US Army days, I lived in barracks, rather than spend money on off-post rooms. That money went to buying camera gear instead. I knew (and cared for) nobody off-post; my free time was spent in darkroom rather than in dark bars. My LT was a non-standard chap, wrote a bio of his childhood buddy Vaugn Bode (underground cartoonist who auto-asphyxiated himself), lived alone in BOQ. We had interesting chats on how such monastic environments foster creativity as sublimation for sex.

Yeah, intense darkroom work is rewarding. But I'd rather have got laid.

ObTopic: Do FF cameras get you laid? Which is more seductive: Canon, Nikon, Sony? Would Pentax FF be a babe magnet?

Cameras don't get you laid unless you are already a "babe magnet" without 'em. That's because millions of frat boys buy Rebels and say "I'm a photographer - take off your clothes, please!". This is acceptable if they already think you're cute - in which case you don't really need the camera; if they don't think you're attractive, most will immediately peg you a "creeper".

Of course, actually *working* as a photographer is a different thing. Models are frequently attracted to men who are being paid by someone else to take their picture, and bystanders and hangers-on are often smitten with the fellow at the center of all the fuss. And I know a couple of wedding photographers that get quite a bit of "action", so to speak, but that's mostly tied to the fact that they can tell bridesmaids that they do some 'fashion' work during the week, and do weddings on the weekends for cash.

I wanted to be a cross between Helmut Newton and J. Stephen Hicks when I was a youth of eighteen. I thought I might find models at local strip clubs - because NOBODY ever thought of THAT before. LOL. I finally did, but I hadda become a bouncer at the strip club in order to gain the trust of the girls before they'd accept that I really wanted to take their picture, not just see 'em naked-er, or get 'em in the sack.

jstevewhite · 06-29-2011, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Leica

it's the chick magnet just ask all the rich old dentists and doctors over on rangefinder forum

Oh, maybe, but it's only that to a specific subset of women who are savvy enough to know that an S2 costs $27k, and a guy with that kinda grip probably has more to spend on them.

eddie1960 · 06-29-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by jstevewhite

I finally did, but I hadda become a bouncer at the strip club in order to gain the trust of the girls before they'd accept that I really wanted to take their picture, not just see 'em naked-er, or get 'em in the sack.

because you couldn't see them naked by stopping in for a beer lol

i dated a few dancers in my youth, there's a lot of seriously crazy women in that job, but some truly great ones as well

eddie1960 · 06-29-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by jstevewhite

Oh, maybe, but it's only that to a specific subset of women who are savvy enough to know that an S2 costs $27k, and a guy with that kinda grip probably has more to spend on them.

the s2 won't work it has to be an M9 (titanium edition preferably) it's tradition

jstevewhite · 06-29-2011, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

because you couldn't see them naked by stopping in for a beer lol

i dated a few dancers in my youth, there's a lot of seriously crazy women in that job, but some truly great ones as well

In the midwest, the Crazy ratio is pretty high. But yeah. The mindset escapes me.

Here's the weirdest observation I've ever encountered about women, men, and photography. I was shooting a "lingerie" catalog (adult clothing and toys) for a startup local distributor. The models would come into the studio, go behind a screen and change into the first set (that showed mostly everything, mind you). Then the AD (who was also the CEO of the startup) would throw them the next set and they would change ON SET. Then, after the last set of lingerie, they'd go BACK behind the screen to change into their street clothes again... LOL!

My wife says it's because, while I saw 'em in their altogether and in underwear, I didn't see 'em in THEIR underwear. *shrug*.

jstevewhite · 06-29-2011, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

the s2 won't work it has to be an M9 (titanium edition preferably) it's tradition

No, what works is being a rich Dentist or Doctor.

eddie1960 · 06-29-2011, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by jstevewhite

No, what works is being a rich Dentist or Doctor.

there is that

it's also what gives them the ability to take some of the most expensive pedestrian pictures i've aver seen (in many cases the best shots i see over there are produced by lowly feds and fixed lens RF's, not all mind you. - unlike here where there are a very high number of good shots - regardless of which body or even lens is being used)

EDIT: many of the good shots i see over there are produced by members from here

RonHendriks1966 · 06-29-2011, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

anyone thinking that a Pentax FF will be the size of a K-5 is in la-la land.

Instead, Pentax went with the 645D, which is probably not much larger than a Pentax SR-capable FF DSLR would be. In some ways, a better solution for Pentax FF fans is to advocate a lower price point for the 645D. If they could get a 645D kit system down to US$6,500 they might make a splash.

Wake me Up before you Go-Go......

O my ... I have been living in la-la-land

Well a cheaper 645D would make it more attractive, in Europe it's 9.999 euro for body only and that is way to expensive.

I'm still in favor of APS-H sensor camera. Coult that fit into a K-5 like body? Just a little bigger and bigger viewfinder (loose the flash to make room). If a sensor is 30x20mm then it can hold some more pixels with bigger surfase, coming just a step closer (and close enough) to FF.

**Aristophanes** · 06-29-2011, 11:46 AM

Chicks. Cameras. Darkrooms. Angels. Leica.

It's all good except the guy who said the word dentist.

eddie1960 · 06-29-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Chicks. Cameras. Darkrooms. Angels. Leica.

It's all good except the guy who said the word dentist.

sorry but it's heavily tied to Leica

la_nonna · 06-29-2011, 03:02 PM

What about wide angle lenses? its easier to build wide and ultrawide lenses on FF and on mirrorless aps-c. That's why I think aps-c on dslr is technically a bad idea. Image quality is just ok but reportage photographers that needs at least a ultrawide lens will go on FF or mirrorless, and the amateurs always follows what they see in the hands of professionals..
Pentax wake up!!!

jstevewhite · 06-29-2011, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by la_nonna

What about wide angle lenses? its easier to build wide and ultrawide lenses on FF and on mirrorless aps-c. That's why I think aps-c on dslr is technically a bad idea. Image quality is just ok but reportage photographers that needs at least a ultrawide lens will go on FF or mirrorless, and the amateurs always follows what they see in the hands of professionals..
Pentax wake up!!!

Technically correct, but I think it's not necessarily supportable to assert that "reportage photographers need UWA", which is no more true than "reportage photographers need long telephotos". The 35mm was the "go to" news photog lens for years; wide but not so wide it distorts. There are always tradeoffs.

la_nonna · 06-29-2011, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by jstevewhite

Technically correct, but I think it's not necessarily supportable to assert that "reportage photographers need UWA", which is no more true than "reportage photographers need long telephotos". The 35mm was the "go to" news photog lens for years; wide but not so wide it distorts. There are always tradeoffs.

Yes, 35mm is the must have, but we need also ultrawide. And we need also telephoto but not supertele: that's for sports and nature.
1) normal
2)wide
3)tele
4)ultrawide
on ultrawide FF has a clear advantage

jstevewhite · 06-29-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by la_nonna

Yes, 35mm is the must have, but we need also ultrawide. And we need also telephoto but not supertele: that's for sports and nature.
1) normal
2)wide
3)tele
4)ultrawide
on ultrawide FF has a clear advantage

Get the 8mm from Samyang! Done, and done! Or the 10-20 Sigma. 15mm equivalent on FF is UWA, yes?

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06-29-2011, 10:18 AM	#106
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by RioRico I could have handled a bit more pleasantly wasted time. In my US Army days, I lived in barracks, rather than spend money on off-post rooms. That money went to buying camera gear instead. I knew (and cared for) nobody off-post; my free time was spent in darkroom rather than in dark bars. My LT was a non-standard chap, wrote a bio of his childhood buddy Vaugn Bode (underground cartoonist who auto-asphyxiated himself), lived alone in BOQ. We had interesting chats on how such monastic environments foster creativity as sublimation for sex. Yeah, intense darkroom work is rewarding. But I'd rather have got laid. ObTopic: Do FF cameras get you laid? Which is more seductive: Canon, Nikon, Sony? Would Pentax FF be a babe magnet? Leica it's the chick magnet just ask all the rich old dentists and doctors over on rangefinder forum

06-29-2011, 10:23 AM	#107
jstevewhite Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midwest Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,407	Originally posted by RioRico I could have handled a bit more pleasantly wasted time. In my US Army days, I lived in barracks, rather than spend money on off-post rooms. That money went to buying camera gear instead. I knew (and cared for) nobody off-post; my free time was spent in darkroom rather than in dark bars. My LT was a non-standard chap, wrote a bio of his childhood buddy Vaugn Bode (underground cartoonist who auto-asphyxiated himself), lived alone in BOQ. We had interesting chats on how such monastic environments foster creativity as sublimation for sex. Yeah, intense darkroom work is rewarding. But I'd rather have got laid. ObTopic: Do FF cameras get you laid? Which is more seductive: Canon, Nikon, Sony? Would Pentax FF be a babe magnet? Cameras don't get you laid unless you are already a "babe magnet" without 'em. That's because millions of frat boys buy Rebels and say "I'm a photographer - take off your clothes, please!". This is acceptable if they already think you're cute - in which case you don't really need the camera; if they don't think you're attractive, most will immediately peg you a "creeper". Of course, actually working as a photographer is a different thing. Models are frequently attracted to men who are being paid by someone else to take their picture, and bystanders and hangers-on are often smitten with the fellow at the center of all the fuss. And I know a couple of wedding photographers that get quite a bit of "action", so to speak, but that's mostly tied to the fact that they can tell bridesmaids that they do some 'fashion' work during the week, and do weddings on the weekends for cash. I wanted to be a cross between Helmut Newton and J. Stephen Hicks when I was a youth of eighteen. I thought I might find models at local strip clubs - because NOBODY ever thought of THAT before. LOL. I finally did, but I hadda become a bouncer at the strip club in order to gain the trust of the girls before they'd accept that I really wanted to take their picture, not just see 'em naked-er, or get 'em in the sack.

06-29-2011, 10:25 AM	#108
jstevewhite Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midwest Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,407	Originally posted by eddie1960 Leica it's the chick magnet just ask all the rich old dentists and doctors over on rangefinder forum Oh, maybe, but it's only that to a specific subset of women who are savvy enough to know that an S2 costs $27k, and a guy with that kinda grip probably has more to spend on them.

06-29-2011, 10:28 AM	#109
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by jstevewhite I finally did, but I hadda become a bouncer at the strip club in order to gain the trust of the girls before they'd accept that I really wanted to take their picture, not just see 'em naked-er, or get 'em in the sack. because you couldn't see them naked by stopping in for a beer lol i dated a few dancers in my youth, there's a lot of seriously crazy women in that job, but some truly great ones as well

06-29-2011, 10:29 AM	#110
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by jstevewhite Oh, maybe, but it's only that to a specific subset of women who are savvy enough to know that an S2 costs $27k, and a guy with that kinda grip probably has more to spend on them. the s2 won't work it has to be an M9 (titanium edition preferably) it's tradition

06-29-2011, 10:40 AM	#111
jstevewhite Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midwest Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,407	Originally posted by eddie1960 because you couldn't see them naked by stopping in for a beer lol i dated a few dancers in my youth, there's a lot of seriously crazy women in that job, but some truly great ones as well In the midwest, the Crazy ratio is pretty high. But yeah. The mindset escapes me. Here's the weirdest observation I've ever encountered about women, men, and photography. I was shooting a "lingerie" catalog (adult clothing and toys) for a startup local distributor. The models would come into the studio, go behind a screen and change into the first set (that showed mostly everything, mind you). Then the AD (who was also the CEO of the startup) would throw them the next set and they would change ON SET. Then, after the last set of lingerie, they'd go BACK behind the screen to change into their street clothes again... LOL! My wife says it's because, while I saw 'em in their altogether and in underwear, I didn't see 'em in THEIR underwear. shrug.

06-29-2011, 10:40 AM	#112
jstevewhite Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midwest Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,407	Originally posted by eddie1960 the s2 won't work it has to be an M9 (titanium edition preferably) it's tradition No, what works is being a rich Dentist or Doctor.

06-29-2011, 11:27 AM	#113
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by jstevewhite No, what works is being a rich Dentist or Doctor. there is that it's also what gives them the ability to take some of the most expensive pedestrian pictures i've aver seen (in many cases the best shots i see over there are produced by lowly feds and fixed lens RF's, not all mind you. - unlike here where there are a very high number of good shots - regardless of which body or even lens is being used) EDIT: many of the good shots i see over there are produced by members from here

06-29-2011, 11:44 AM	#114
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Aristophanes anyone thinking that a Pentax FF will be the size of a K-5 is in la-la land. Instead, Pentax went with the 645D, which is probably not much larger than a Pentax SR-capable FF DSLR would be. In some ways, a better solution for Pentax FF fans is to advocate a lower price point for the 645D. If they could get a 645D kit system down to US$6,500 they might make a splash. Wake me Up before you Go-Go...... O my ... I have been living in la-la-land Well a cheaper 645D would make it more attractive, in Europe it's 9.999 euro for body only and that is way to expensive. I'm still in favor of APS-H sensor camera. Coult that fit into a K-5 like body? Just a little bigger and bigger viewfinder (loose the flash to make room). If a sensor is 30x20mm then it can hold some more pixels with bigger surfase, coming just a step closer (and close enough) to FF.

06-29-2011, 11:46 AM	#115
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Chicks. Cameras. Darkrooms. Angels. Leica. It's all good except the guy who said the word dentist.

06-29-2011, 11:47 AM	#116
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Aristophanes Chicks. Cameras. Darkrooms. Angels. Leica. It's all good except the guy who said the word dentist. sorry but it's heavily tied to Leica

06-29-2011, 03:02 PM	#117
la_nonna New Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: ragusa, Sicily Posts: 14	What about wide angle lenses? its easier to build wide and ultrawide lenses on FF and on mirrorless aps-c. That's why I think aps-c on dslr is technically a bad idea. Image quality is just ok but reportage photographers that needs at least a ultrawide lens will go on FF or mirrorless, and the amateurs always follows what they see in the hands of professionals.. Pentax wake up!!!

06-29-2011, 03:10 PM	#118
jstevewhite Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midwest Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,407	Originally posted by la_nonna What about wide angle lenses? its easier to build wide and ultrawide lenses on FF and on mirrorless aps-c. That's why I think aps-c on dslr is technically a bad idea. Image quality is just ok but reportage photographers that needs at least a ultrawide lens will go on FF or mirrorless, and the amateurs always follows what they see in the hands of professionals.. Pentax wake up!!! Technically correct, but I think it's not necessarily supportable to assert that "reportage photographers need UWA", which is no more true than "reportage photographers need long telephotos". The 35mm was the "go to" news photog lens for years; wide but not so wide it distorts. There are always tradeoffs.

06-29-2011, 03:21 PM	#119
la_nonna New Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: ragusa, Sicily Posts: 14	Originally posted by jstevewhite Technically correct, but I think it's not necessarily supportable to assert that "reportage photographers need UWA", which is no more true than "reportage photographers need long telephotos". The 35mm was the "go to" news photog lens for years; wide but not so wide it distorts. There are always tradeoffs. Yes, 35mm is the must have, but we need also ultrawide. And we need also telephoto but not supertele: that's for sports and nature. 1) normal 2)wide 3)tele 4)ultrawide on ultrawide FF has a clear advantage

06-29-2011, 03:27 PM	#120
jstevewhite Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Midwest Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,407	Originally posted by la_nonna Yes, 35mm is the must have, but we need also ultrawide. And we need also telephoto but not supertele: that's for sports and nature. 1) normal 2)wide 3)tele 4)ultrawide on ultrawide FF has a clear advantage Get the 8mm from Samyang! Done, and done! Or the 10-20 Sigma. 15mm equivalent on FF is UWA, yes?