Pentax should make a fixed lens APS-C camera! poll

RioRico · 07-29-2011, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Pentikonian

I'm already not too sure about the Q and how well it will do. And a "yeah, me too" Fuji/ Leica clone/ imitation?

The X100 / x1 model: Sell a camera.
The dSLR model: Sell a camera. Then sell a bunch of lenses.
The GXR+ model. Sell a camera, and a mountor, and some lenses. Then sell more mountors and lenses.

Fixed-lens cameras box themselves into a corner.
The original GXR lensor model is a little better, but not much.
The dSLR model seems to be working quite well, and is expanding.
The GXR+ model... well, that's in its infancy, but it has potential to be huge.

No, I don't expect a Pentax fixed-lens camera, that's a commercial dead-end. One sale and it's over. The trick for sustainability is to get the buyer hooked and make them come back for more and more and more. The GXR body+mountors+lenses model should do just that. But fixed-lens camera? That's a glorified P&S. No room for expansion. Feh.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 07-29-2011, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

There are those new nice camera's like Fuji x100 and Leica X1 that not only make a buzz but also seem to sell. Should Pentax make one of those?

No, what's the point? If Fuji doesn't entice me to buy theirs, why would I buy one from Pentax? If the Q takes lenses, it would be lame to come up with a larger sensor camera that doesn't.

TaoMaas · 07-30-2011, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

If Fuji doesn't entice me to buy theirs, why would I buy one from Pentax?

The Fuji doesn't entice you? I'd LOVE to have one...the only problem is the price.

RonHendriks1966 · 07-30-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Pentikonian

Also, doesn't changing the flange distance change the optical performance of the lens? If so, smaller body may not work well with the 31.

Well offcourse there has to be a new design to make that lens fit in that new camera. Base of it would be the FA31mm gving that same image feel and image quality. Is that strange? No it isn't or does anyone think that this Elmarit is the same as the other?

Laurentiu Cristofor · 07-30-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

The Fuji doesn't entice you? I'd LOVE to have one...the only problem is the price.

I like it, but I don't need it, and if I would get it, I wouldn't have much use for it. So - no, it doesn't entice me.

elho_cid · 07-31-2011, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

The Fuji doesn't entice you? I'd LOVE to have one...the only problem is the price.

No, problem is the user interface. There is too little joy in using a frustrating camera.

RonHendriks1966 · 07-31-2011, 08:17 AM

Wel look here: Asahiflex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia they started in 1952, so next year there is a little selebration.

And for wich a selebration camera coult be made:

I still think that a specialty camera with the 31mm lens would be great. (or do we want a full frame DSLR?).

stillshunter · 08-19-2011, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

The Pentax GXR obviates the need for a fixed lens APS-C. They essentially have one already. 60s bellbottoms retro aside, I'd much rather have a GXR vs the Fuji.

Ummm...oh, ohhhhh you are serious. OK, well I suppose "different strokes for different folks" keeps enough digicam manufacturers in the market.

Boris · 08-19-2011, 04:52 AM

I voted "no". Pentax is a relatively small company, so instead of over-diversifying to the point of breaking down, they might want to try to concentrate on smaller number of product lines.

RonHendriks1966 · 08-21-2011, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Boris

I voted "no". Pentax is a relatively small company, so instead of over-diversifying to the point of breaking down, they might want to try to concentrate on smaller number of product lines.

Very true that is a dangerous step. But then again, for a big part it is putting parts together already in the Pentax system. Like sensor, image development system, (part) of lensdesign, most of everything on the body (like screen, buttons, e-dial) and around all this creating a new camera.

KxBlaze · 08-26-2011, 09:48 PM

I voted for the 31mm and the 15-30mm. Even though I do not think Pentax should make such a camera I think those focal lengths would be the most useful.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-05-2013, 06:50 AM

With the new Nikon Coolpix A this does bring the question back if Pentax under the new firm with Ricoh should make one? Poll is closed, but ideas can be shared. Canon also has one offering in this segment.

mrNewt · 03-05-2013, 06:55 AM

MX-1 would of been a good candidate for this ... but they kind of missed the target slightly ...

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JinDesu · 03-05-2013, 07:53 AM

Or if Pentax comes out with a 21mm F3.2/28mm F2.8/24mm F2 XS, suddenly the k-01 is equal to the Nikon.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-05-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by JinDesu

Or if Pentax comes out with a 21mm F3.2/28mm F2.8/24mm F2 XS, suddenly the k-01 is equal to the Nikon.

No the K-01 is a big camera. I looked at the Sony RX1, but thta is also a very large camera compared to this new Nikon Coolpix A offering.

View Poll Results: Wich lens should be on it?
23mm/f2.0 the classic 35mm lens.	15	19.74%
FA 31mm/f1.8 classic Pentax lens.	19	25.00%
40mm/f2.0 pancake style	11	14.47%
FA 43mm/f1.9	3	3.95%
50mm/f1.2 lightstrong specialty camera.	3	3.95%
FA 77mm/f1.8 as a portraitcamera.	0	0%
15-30mm/f2.8 zoomlens for streetphotography.	8	10.53%
40-80mm/f2.0 zoomlens for portraitphotography.	3	3.95%
No please don't.	36	47.37%
My idea......	1	1.32%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

07-31-2011, 08:17 AM	#22
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	60 years of camera's Wel look here: Asahiflex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia they started in 1952, so next year there is a little selebration. And for wich a selebration camera coult be made: I still think that a specialty camera with the 31mm lens would be great. (or do we want a full frame DSLR?).

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07-29-2011, 08:01 PM	#16
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by Pentikonian I'm already not too sure about the Q and how well it will do. And a "yeah, me too" Fuji/ Leica clone/ imitation? The X100 / x1 model: Sell a camera. The dSLR model: Sell a camera. Then sell a bunch of lenses. The GXR+ model. Sell a camera, and a mountor, and some lenses. Then sell more mountors and lenses. Fixed-lens cameras box themselves into a corner. The original GXR lensor model is a little better, but not much. The dSLR model seems to be working quite well, and is expanding. The GXR+ model... well, that's in its infancy, but it has potential to be huge. No, I don't expect a Pentax fixed-lens camera, that's a commercial dead-end. One sale and it's over. The trick for sustainability is to get the buyer hooked and make them come back for more and more and more. The GXR body+mountors+lenses model should do just that. But fixed-lens camera? That's a glorified P&S. No room for expansion. Feh.

07-29-2011, 11:27 PM	#17
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 There are those new nice camera's like Fuji x100 and Leica X1 that not only make a buzz but also seem to sell. Should Pentax make one of those? No, what's the point? If Fuji doesn't entice me to buy theirs, why would I buy one from Pentax? If the Q takes lenses, it would be lame to come up with a larger sensor camera that doesn't.

07-30-2011, 08:40 AM	#18
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor If Fuji doesn't entice me to buy theirs, why would I buy one from Pentax? The Fuji doesn't entice you? I'd LOVE to have one...the only problem is the price.

07-30-2011, 12:48 PM	#19
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by Pentikonian Also, doesn't changing the flange distance change the optical performance of the lens? If so, smaller body may not work well with the 31. Well offcourse there has to be a new design to make that lens fit in that new camera. Base of it would be the FA31mm gving that same image feel and image quality. Is that strange? No it isn't or does anyone think that this Elmarit is the same as the other?

07-30-2011, 03:43 PM	#20
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	Originally posted by TaoMaas The Fuji doesn't entice you? I'd LOVE to have one...the only problem is the price. I like it, but I don't need it, and if I would get it, I wouldn't have much use for it. So - no, it doesn't entice me.

07-31-2011, 06:56 AM	#21
elho_cid Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Prague Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by TaoMaas The Fuji doesn't entice you? I'd LOVE to have one...the only problem is the price. No, problem is the user interface. There is too little joy in using a frustrating camera.

08-19-2011, 04:35 AM	#23
stillshunter Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Tablelands NSW Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 406	Originally posted by johnmflores The Pentax GXR obviates the need for a fixed lens APS-C. They essentially have one already. 60s bellbottoms retro aside, I'd much rather have a GXR vs the Fuji. Ummm...oh, ohhhhh you are serious. OK, well I suppose "different strokes for different folks" keeps enough digicam manufacturers in the market.

08-19-2011, 04:52 AM	#24
Boris Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Israel Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 932	I voted "no". Pentax is a relatively small company, so instead of over-diversifying to the point of breaking down, they might want to try to concentrate on smaller number of product lines.

08-21-2011, 07:30 AM	#25
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by Boris I voted "no". Pentax is a relatively small company, so instead of over-diversifying to the point of breaking down, they might want to try to concentrate on smaller number of product lines. Very true that is a dangerous step. But then again, for a big part it is putting parts together already in the Pentax system. Like sensor, image development system, (part) of lensdesign, most of everything on the body (like screen, buttons, e-dial) and around all this creating a new camera.

08-26-2011, 09:48 PM	#26
KxBlaze Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,602	I voted for the 31mm and the 15-30mm. Even though I do not think Pentax should make such a camera I think those focal lengths would be the most useful.

03-05-2013, 06:50 AM	#27
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	With the new Nikon Coolpix A this does bring the question back if Pentax under the new firm with Ricoh should make one? Poll is closed, but ideas can be shared. Canon also has one offering in this segment.

03-05-2013, 06:55 AM	#28
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	MX-1 would of been a good candidate for this ... but they kind of missed the target slightly ... .

03-05-2013, 07:53 AM	#29
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Or if Pentax comes out with a 21mm F3.2/28mm F2.8/24mm F2 XS, suddenly the k-01 is equal to the Nikon.

03-05-2013, 08:06 AM	#30
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by JinDesu Or if Pentax comes out with a 21mm F3.2/28mm F2.8/24mm F2 XS, suddenly the k-01 is equal to the Nikon. No the K-01 is a big camera. I looked at the Sony RX1, but thta is also a very large camera compared to this new Nikon Coolpix A offering.