File numbering

baw · 11-25-2007, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by davek

I just started running into this problem since I got my K10D.

Right now, I'm trying a new file rename technique to see how it fits in my workflow.

Upon conversion from raw, I'm creating the filename based on the Exif shooting date data: yyyymmddd-hhmmss.jpg

This will automaticaly sort my images regardless of camera in chronological order.

The 2 risks I see with this are:
1) 2 pics taken at the same time (different shooters?) will have the same name. I figure the risk of this is low.
2) The converted file is no longer the same as the raw file. This may make correlating the 2 more difficult. Not certain how much that'll impact me yet.

I leave the original camera number as part of the file name (nostalgia?)
I don't use seconds, too difficult to read, and not necessary imo.
So filenames are: yyyymmdd_hhmm_####.ext

Also covers burstmode shooting. (one camera, multiple images in same second.)
Only risk on double filenames is different cameras having the same counter# in the same minute.

DavidH · 11-25-2007, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by simonm

Thus the original file is only opened once and saved unmodified; there's a copy at 'high res' and a copy at 'low res'.

Simon

Hi Simon,

I noted your "saved unmodified". I assume that you actual closed it after saving as a new name or closed it without saving. If you save over your original you have made a change to it.

David

**Canada_Rockies** · 11-26-2007, 12:02 AM

My K10D is set to group shots by date in the custom settings, so my file names are in directories such as 100-1118 on the card in the camera. The 1118 is November 18th. No year, but the year is in the EXIF data, and I download by year anyway. All my original images copied from the camera are now in as an example, on my Windows ThinkPad:

My Pictures > 2007 > 100-1118
My Pictures > 2007 > 100-1120 (didn't shoot on the 19th)
My Pictures > 2007 > 100-1121

and so forth.

I have USER set to PEF + JPEG

When 2007 is over, I will move all off onto a couple of USB drives as a backup, and also write a DVD with all the images. That will work this year - next I will probably need more than one DVD.

davek · 11-26-2007, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by baw

I leave the original camera number as part of the file name (nostalgia?)
I don't use seconds, too difficult to read, and not necessary imo.
So filenames are: yyyymmdd_hhmm_####.ext

Thanks, I like that idea better, as it leaves the original filename imbedded, if I need to dig out the Raw file source again.

hamdala · 03-05-2008, 03:05 PM

I too have recently added a K100D super --- previously used a *istD
My first few images were numbered as IMGP####
I had tried out my sons K100D to se how good it was. I used my own card.
After inserting that card into my K100D super it swapped its file numbering to _IGP#### which what was on my sons camera.
Didn't shoot raw in either camera.
This is OK as I now have different file numbering systems from each camera but how it did this I still don't quite understand.
The manual is a little vague on this point but if I read it correctly, whilst it is a "virgin" it seems to adopt what it finds on a card and follows on from that.
Problem is how to turn it back to a "virgin" as it doesn't have a backup battery as the *istD does.
Any comments from anyone??

**Lowell Goudge** · 03-05-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by hamdala

I too have recently added a K100D super --- previously used a *istD
My first few images were numbered as IMGP####
I had tried out my sons K100D to se how good it was. I used my own card.
After inserting that card into my K100D super it swapped its file numbering to _IGP#### which what was on my sons camera.
Didn't shoot raw in either camera.
This is OK as I now have different file numbering systems from each camera but how it did this I still don't quite understand.
The manual is a little vague on this point but if I read it correctly, whilst it is a "virgin" it seems to adopt what it finds on a card and follows on from that.
Problem is how to turn it back to a "virgin" as it doesn't have a backup battery as the *istD does.
Any comments from anyone??

what you have is one camera set to adobe color space and the other to RGB.

You probally really want them both to adobe color space.

this will be _IGPXXXX.

as I understand it the K20 allows for different file names

hamdala · 03-05-2008, 04:10 PM

Thanks Lowell
Case of RTFM
This gives me a rather neat solution to conflicting file names since the *istD churns out IMGP#### regardless of colour space
I like to shoot using adobe and have both cameras set to this.
Maybe a possible solution for Simon???

**Lowell Goudge** · 03-05-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by hamdala

Thanks Lowell
Case of RTFM
This gives me a rather neat solution to conflicting file names since the *istD churns out IMGP#### regardless of colour space
I like to shoot using adobe and have both cameras set to this.
Maybe a possible solution for Simon???

That;s interesting, mine doesn't!

might be a software issue on yours, mine is on latest version which supports 4GB cards

pentkon52 · 03-05-2008, 05:27 PM

I use ckrename for my files. Free and very simple to use.

I have 6 dslr's and need to rename a lot when file names start to over lap

Dave

hamdala · 03-05-2008, 07:34 PM

Yes Lowell,
I think you are probably right. I still have an early software version - updates didn't give me anything I needed.

arthur pappas · 03-05-2008, 08:34 PM

I always store my pics according to date, then by the event, that way I can sort the folders by when they took place. For example:

2007_12_31 new years party
or
2008_02_22 bob's birthday bash

I keep things simple by using as few subfolders (within the 'My Pictures' folder) as possible, like:

Family & Friends Events
Cars
Vacations
Random

**Lowell Goudge** · 03-06-2008, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by arthur pappas

I always store my pics according to date, then by the event, that way I can sort the folders by when they took place. For example:

2007_12_31 new years party
or
2008_02_22 bob's birthday bash

I keep things simple by using as few subfolders (within the 'My Pictures' folder) as possible, like:

Family & Friends Events
Cars
Vacations
Random

That all works just fine except....

the counter in my *istD and K10D are extremely close, and I shoot both during the same event, this will make for the extreme possibility of conflicting file names within the folder.

I don't want to reset either counter, therefore I will have this problem moving forward. the same issue exists for pro's who shoot multiple bodies. I should not have to deal with this issue, either when downloading or later.

11-25-2007, 05:47 AM	#16
baw Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Neterlands Posts: 189	Filenaming. Originally posted by davek I just started running into this problem since I got my K10D. Right now, I'm trying a new file rename technique to see how it fits in my workflow. Upon conversion from raw, I'm creating the filename based on the Exif shooting date data: yyyymmddd-hhmmss.jpg This will automaticaly sort my images regardless of camera in chronological order. The 2 risks I see with this are: 1) 2 pics taken at the same time (different shooters?) will have the same name. I figure the risk of this is low. 2) The converted file is no longer the same as the raw file. This may make correlating the 2 more difficult. Not certain how much that'll impact me yet. I leave the original camera number as part of the file name (nostalgia?) I don't use seconds, too difficult to read, and not necessary imo. So filenames are: yyyymmdd_hhmm_####.ext Also covers burstmode shooting. (one camera, multiple images in same second.) Only risk on double filenames is different cameras having the same counter# in the same minute.

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11-25-2007, 01:49 PM	#17
DavidH New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 20	Originally posted by simonm Thus the original file is only opened once and saved unmodified; there's a copy at 'high res' and a copy at 'low res'. Simon Hi Simon, I noted your "saved unmodified". I assume that you actual closed it after saving as a new name or closed it without saving. If you save over your original you have made a change to it. David

11-26-2007, 12:02 AM	#18
Canada_Rockies Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sparwood, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,385	My K10D is set to group shots by date in the custom settings, so my file names are in directories such as 100-1118 on the card in the camera. The 1118 is November 18th. No year, but the year is in the EXIF data, and I download by year anyway. All my original images copied from the camera are now in as an example, on my Windows ThinkPad: My Pictures > 2007 > 100-1118 My Pictures > 2007 > 100-1120 (didn't shoot on the 19th) My Pictures > 2007 > 100-1121 and so forth. I have USER set to PEF + JPEG When 2007 is over, I will move all off onto a couple of USB drives as a backup, and also write a DVD with all the images. That will work this year - next I will probably need more than one DVD.

11-26-2007, 10:07 AM	#19
davek Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Elmira, On, Canada Posts: 461	Originally posted by baw I leave the original camera number as part of the file name (nostalgia?) I don't use seconds, too difficult to read, and not necessary imo. So filenames are: yyyymmdd_hhmm_####.ext Thanks, I like that idea better, as it leaves the original filename imbedded, if I need to dig out the Raw file source again.

03-05-2008, 03:05 PM	#20
hamdala New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Christchurch NZ Posts: 12	I too have recently added a K100D super --- previously used a istD My first few images were numbered as IMGP#### I had tried out my sons K100D to se how good it was. I used my own card. After inserting that card into my K100D super it swapped its file numbering to _IGP#### which what was on my sons camera. Didn't shoot raw in either camera. This is OK as I now have different file numbering systems from each camera but how it did this I still don't quite understand. The manual is a little vague on this point but if I read it correctly, whilst it is a "virgin" it seems to adopt what it finds on a card and follows on from that. Problem is how to turn it back to a "virgin" as it doesn't have a backup battery as the istD does. Any comments from anyone??

03-05-2008, 03:22 PM	#21
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by hamdala I too have recently added a K100D super --- previously used a istD My first few images were numbered as IMGP#### I had tried out my sons K100D to se how good it was. I used my own card. After inserting that card into my K100D super it swapped its file numbering to _IGP#### which what was on my sons camera. Didn't shoot raw in either camera. This is OK as I now have different file numbering systems from each camera but how it did this I still don't quite understand. The manual is a little vague on this point but if I read it correctly, whilst it is a "virgin" it seems to adopt what it finds on a card and follows on from that. Problem is how to turn it back to a "virgin" as it doesn't have a backup battery as the istD does. Any comments from anyone?? what you have is one camera set to adobe color space and the other to RGB. You probally really want them both to adobe color space. this will be _IGPXXXX. as I understand it the K20 allows for different file names

03-05-2008, 04:10 PM	#22
hamdala New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Christchurch NZ Posts: 12	Thanks Lowell Case of RTFM This gives me a rather neat solution to conflicting file names since the *istD churns out IMGP#### regardless of colour space I like to shoot using adobe and have both cameras set to this. Maybe a possible solution for Simon???

03-05-2008, 04:29 PM	#23
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by hamdala Thanks Lowell Case of RTFM This gives me a rather neat solution to conflicting file names since the *istD churns out IMGP#### regardless of colour space I like to shoot using adobe and have both cameras set to this. Maybe a possible solution for Simon??? That;s interesting, mine doesn't! might be a software issue on yours, mine is on latest version which supports 4GB cards

03-05-2008, 05:27 PM	#24
pentkon52 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: York Region Canada Posts: 641	I use ckrename for my files. Free and very simple to use. I have 6 dslr's and need to rename a lot when file names start to over lap Dave

03-05-2008, 07:34 PM	#25
hamdala New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Christchurch NZ Posts: 12	Yes Lowell, I think you are probably right. I still have an early software version - updates didn't give me anything I needed.

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03-06-2008, 05:42 AM	#27
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by arthur pappas I always store my pics according to date, then by the event, that way I can sort the folders by when they took place. For example: 2007_12_31 new years party or 2008_02_22 bob's birthday bash I keep things simple by using as few subfolders (within the 'My Pictures' folder) as possible, like: Family & Friends Events Cars Vacations Random That all works just fine except.... the counter in my *istD and K10D are extremely close, and I shoot both during the same event, this will make for the extreme possibility of conflicting file names within the folder. I don't want to reset either counter, therefore I will have this problem moving forward. the same issue exists for pro's who shoot multiple bodies. I should not have to deal with this issue, either when downloading or later.