Originally posted by Aristophanes How is Pentax going to bring Nikon volumes?
Why would they need to?
From Sony's perspective, they increase their sensor sales volume by at least 5% (initially, to grow) with one single signature, and they then have Ricoh on board for FF sensors. They also may want to establish a stronger relationship with Ricoh to get an inside position to sell them the sensors for this high-res document archival push they're reportedly making and have the 645D tech pointed at right now.
Their relationship with Nikon remains exactly the same. Any existing sensors that contain Nikon IP cannot be sold to anyone else, that goes without saying, but it's a huge leap from there to "Nikon controls who Sony can sell all FF sensors to."
Quote: There is no evidence that Pentaxians are more likely to buy into a $3,000 FF DSLR than any other brand.
How could there be definitive evidence if the body does not exist? There certainly is evidence that Pentaxians are buying 5Ds, D3s and D700's though, isn't there?
Quote: Now, with the 645D there is plenty of time to do that precisely because sales lost to legacy glass from the old 645 system can be recouped by a $10,000 body starting price. Can't do that with FF.......unless you're Nikon charging $6,000 for a FF body.
Again, you're speculating on two things here - how long it would take for ROI on a sub-3K body, and how long Ricoh would consider 'too long'.
Pentax-standalone was too small to do it without completely financing it. Hoya (it turns out) was just positioning Pentax imaging for a quick sale - they had no intention of investing and waiting for ROI. Pentax-Ricoh seems to be establishing itself for a long term revenue generation plan, probably leveraging emerging markets. A perfect incubator for a FF push.
Quote: That's why FF pricing is the way it is and why Sony dropped the lower end model A850 over the A900.
No, they dropped the A850 because it was almost exactly the same as the A900, but sold for a lower price. They had bunched up their products there, in a confusing way. BTW, the A900, which they kept, is priced right at where I expect the K-1 to start.
Quote: I am not saying FF will not be offered by Pentax in the future. I am saying that the market has to move towards small volume sales when FF sensor prices fall well below what they are going for now.
Should they try to leap in at that point, or start building toward it now, with FF lens announcements, a FF body release schedule?
I think what you're describing is simply what Ricoh is foreseeing.
Quote: $3,000 camera bodies do not sell by the bucketloads for any brand.
They don't have to sell by the bucketloads to make sense. In Pentax's case, it would strengthen K-mount, and help re-establish the brand, and develop a steady revenue stream after ROI schedule ends, something Ricoh seems to be interested in doing. Remember, the $124 million they spent for Pentax Imaging doesn't even make them break a sweat, Further investment toward that asset (which is K-mount) logically follows.
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