Originally posted by Aristophanes
A $3,000 FF DSLR is nowhere near a value product in the greater market context, especially with the added cost of lenses. At the core of this debate is some vague concept about what kind of camera company Pentax is. With the exception of the LX, Pentax has really never produced a 'pro' body and system (flashes, for example). Yet FF sensors are well into the 'pro' price club, yes, purchased by the $$$ oft eh much more numerous prosumers, but still a very elite, small market, the opposite of 'value'.
I don't think Pentax-Hoya was interested in keeping this 'value' distinction. Each tier seemed to be priced right at the same level of the equiv bodies from the competiton, and until the DA 35 f/2.4, they never really had the same 'value' primes (35 f/1.8G, 50 1.8 CaNikon versions, $400 85 1.8, etc.)
Ricoh may be interested in reviving it... but it's a heritage that may have been borne of afterthought strategy in the past (acting on something after Canon/Nikon - what's left? Value? OK!)
If they do want to revive it - what better way than an 'affordable' FF body?
Quote: The D700 has a solid full stop more than the K-5 (2-2.5 over M43) and the D800 may have 2. But it has 'pro' features throughout, plus all the other advantages of FF. It loses 'value' because it requires big glass at high cost,
False. That's a myth that does work to Nikon's advantage, though. They make a lot of money off enthusiasts who fall for the "
I need the Nikon 14-24 2.8, Nikon 24-70 2.8 and Nikon 70-200 2.8 to 'get the most out of my FF camera!" fallacy
I've been able to outfit mine incredibly successfully with lenses that are small/average sized for their FL, and not overly expensive;
20 2.8D
50 1.8D
85 1.8D
180 2.8 AF-N
300 f/4 AF IF
I've since added a few more on top of that list, but I bought
all those new or gently used for about $600 less than the 70-200 2.8 alone. The holy trinity are the best zooms you can probably buy - but are huge, expensive, stay home a lot because of that size, and it's a flat out falsehood to call them 'required', any more than it's 'required' to buy only Zeiss glass for your Pentax.
Quote: The higher-end Pentax is rife with QC issues. SDM failures, sensor stain, focusing, slow AF, mirror flop, etc. Yet the lower end cameras seem to be quite robust. My K200D and K-x are the bomb. I would like FF, but Pentax is not a company I will buy a $3,000 body from.
Odd conclusion: Give up? K-5 had QC issues, so don't bother trying to improve QC and/or put out a robust FF body. Hm. If that were sound logic, everyone had better forget about FF altogether, because the 7D and D7000 both had some pretty bad QC issues also - no-one can be trusted!
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